Intergity or Employment?

[crashresidue]

Ok., so I've got a story to go with this topic- but I'll wait and see what you guys come up with.

 

Gentle winds,

cr

[Voluptuary5]

Crash,

 

I'm sure I know which one you'll chose but go ahead and get it out of your system.

 

 

-V5

[Gomer Pylot]

Well, I'm not even sure what 'intergity' is. Enlighten us.

[Sparker]

I have chosen integrity over employment twice. I lost one job because I wouldn't go along with the CEO and everybody else just bitched behind his back. I stuck up to him and with getting into too much detail I was unemployed on Christmas Eve. Not fun.

 

EDIT- Due to some of the problems I confronted the CEO about, the company closed down about 6 months after I quit.

 

My current boss told me to call a vendor and lie about some defectives so we could get a refund. I told her I don't lie. An hour long conversation about integrity ensued, and I asked her how she could believe anything I say to her if I lie to other people. She is very new to management and doesn't understand the importance of integrity at all. Hopefully she catches on, because nothing is more important in my opinion.

 

I have no regrets and I would never go against my morals for a job. A good employer will respect that.

Edited November 4, 2007 by Sparker

[BOATFIXERGUY]

As a retired cop, the integrity option came up a lot. I use to buck heads with command all the time...they didn't have any integrity. You'd think the police would, but they don't at the higher levels...its all politics.

 

The only problem is if you have integrity and your boss doesn't, you have a hard road to follow.

[southernweyr]

I chose integrity over a job and found myself unemployed the day my second daughter was born. I was asked to fly a commercial flight when the helicopter was over it's hundred hours with out the required 100hr inspection. It was also common for that operator to take off over Max Gross weight intentionally because that amount of fuel was required to complete the flight. I said no thanks and I wouldn't be wanting to exceed the limitations of the POH either.

 

What do you guys think about taking off over Max Gross weight? Do you do it intentionally? If so, is it legal? I have heard that it is common in certain remote areas like Alaska so I would appreciate your input.

 

§ 91.9 Civil aircraft flight manual, marking, and placard requirements.

(a) Except as provided in paragraph (d) of this section, no person may operate a civil aircraft without complying with the operating limitations specified in the approved Airplane or Rotorcraft Flight Manual, markings, and placards, or as otherwise prescribed by the certificating authority of the country of registry.

 

 

I ended up in a better paying job with better benefits, so it worked out for the better.

[wannabe heli pilot]

I ended up in a better paying job with better benefits, so it worked out for the better.

 

I'm guessing your conscious is clear as well!

[BOATFIXERGUY]

I chose integrity over a job and found myself unemployed the day my second daughter was born. I was asked to fly a commercial flight when the helicopter was over it's hundred hours with out the required 100hr inspection. It was also common for that operator to take off over Max Gross weight intentionally because that amount of fuel was required to complete the flight. I said no thanks and I wouldn't be wanting to exceed the limitations of the POH either.

 

What do you guys think about taking off over Max Gross weight? Do you do it intentionally? If so, is it legal? I have heard that it is common in certain remote areas like Alaska so I would appreciate your input.

 

I ended up in a better paying job with better benefits, so it worked out for the better.

 

You made the right choice. If you fly the mission over the 100 hour, or over gross and get caught, you loose not your employer. You're the PIC. Ya, your employer may get a fine if you can prove they "made" you fly it, but you'll loose your livelyhood.

 

Flying over gross weight is a receipe for disaster. Some helicopters have a margin of safety built in, but again, its illegal for a reason.

[Sparker]

So.... where's crashresidue's story?

[joker]

My mum always said these things:

 

"Joker, if the s**t hits the fan, deny, deny, deny. At the same time, blame someone else. If that doesn't work, throw money at the problem. If all else fails, run away."

 

"Don't hesitate," she said. "For it is easier to cover a molehill than a mountain."

 

Integrity or Employment? A rather rhetorical question. Is there anyone here, going to admit to taking the latter option? Or are we all here, telling our stories of honour and noble deeds for a pat on the back? Crashresidue?

 

Joker

[edspilot]

Integrity:

 

Doing the right thing, at the right time, for the right reason, when nobody is watching!

 

 

 

The definition is the easy part, the hard part it is how to choose when you are in the "gray" area?

 

 

Between two choices, it will be the one that is the hardest to make!

 

or

 

If you are ok with your decision being on the front page of the local newspaper and you will not be embarrased, then it is ok.

 

 

Hope this helps.

 

edspilot

 

 

 

 

 

 

My mum always said these things:

 

"Joker, if the s**t hits the fan, deny, deny, deny. At the same time, blame someone else. If that doesn't work, throw money at the problem. If all else fails, run away."

 

"Don't hesitate," she said. "For it is easier to cover a molehill than a mountain."

 

Integrity or Employment? A rather rhetorical question. Is there anyone here, going to admit to taking the latter option? Or are we all here, telling our stories of honour and noble deeds for a pat on the back? Crashresidue?

 

Joker

[Sparker]

My mum always said these things:

 

"Joker, if the s**t hits the fan, deny, deny, deny. At the same time, blame someone else. If that doesn't work, throw money at the problem. If all else fails, run away."

 

"Don't hesitate," she said. "For it is easier to cover a molehill than a mountain."

 

Integrity or Employment? A rather rhetorical question. Is there anyone here, going to admit to taking the latter option? Or are we all here, telling our stories of honour and noble deeds for a pat on the back? Crashresidue?

 

Joker

 

I like your mom's style....

 

On lacking integrity.... I guess one time in High School I chose to not have neither integrity or employment. I got fired on purpose....

Edited November 7, 2007 by Sparker

[crashresidue]

Cheers all,

 

Sorry for the delay - I'm still checking regs and have a call into MD about the issue.

 

What the problem is, with dual controls installed, when the co-pilots throttle is retarded, the engine quits. It's mis-rigged, no doubt. It doesn't call for a "throttle check" on the dual controls in the checklist I have and I'm waiting to hear back from MD before I make an issue about it.

 

The DO knows about it, the owner knows about it, don't know if the CP knows, but I KNOW and I DON"T like it at all! As far as I'm concerned, if a control is installed in an a/c - it's supposed to work just like the permenant one! The COM says that as long as it isn't called for in the manual, he ain't gonna fix it cause it "ain't broke, legally".

 

May spend the winter unemployed - don't know yet.

 

ps - this is supposed to be my training aircraft.

 

Genlte winds,

cr

[Sparker]

May spend the winter unemployed - don't know yet.

 

Better than actually being crash residue! OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

 

 

 

 

 

Puns Rock!

[as350b3]

Crash,

you already know what the right thing to do is. You're just looking for reinforcement.

I don't know what motivates people in our industry to try to justify not doing the right thing. Somehow, being able to hide behind a technicality is a move that I see very frequently. Oh, I'm not accusing you of any of these things - this rant is directed towards your COM and other management personnel "in the know."

Another poster said it best: imagine your decision on the front page of your local newspaper. Now, tell me again: are you going to fly it or are you going to have it fixed?

On a side note, it is also very true that this is easy for me to say, because my job is not on the line.

Good luck with your decision.

[Guest rotorflyr84]

The PIC is the one responsible for determining whether or not the flight is a "go" or "no go". This is a decision made regardless of whether the technicality lies within the checklist or not. If I don't like the way something is, I ground the flight. Especially if you're running the risk of an engine shutting down. I have to agree with as350b3. You already know what you need to do. It's not worth risking your life and career over one company. If it comes down to it, there's plenty of other jobs available out there looking for pilots. Good luck with your decision.

[apiaguy]

I choose employment. Until I can retire I'm a total slut. Customer dicates

I'll fly that thing over gross no problem... I figure I'm a test pilot everytime I get in a helicopter anyway. Fly IMC without filing, skud run 400 NM one time. Flew 17,500 with no oxygen. Play chase the deer, cow, coyote, whatever. Dang oil temp not working... no problem, still have the oil press and cyl temp... What the hell is integrity in aviation?...inexperienced.....................or liar/hippocrite.................................. old instructor once told me... pilots and mechanics are a dime a dozen.

[Gomer Pylot]

I can't imagine a mechanic refusing to fix something he knows is broken. Have an accident with the thing that way and it's his license, as long as it can be shown that he knew about it. That much pure laziness simply amazes me. It's almost certainly just a matter of time, not parts, to fix it, so it's just laziness. I've spent almost 40 years flying, and I've never had to put up with that, fortunately. I've known mechs who didn't want to fix something, but they always did if I insisted, and I don't insist unless I know there is a safety problem. I have no idea whether this is the case in your aircraft, because I've never flown MD helicopters, but if I believed that writing a discrepancy in the logbook would get me fired, I'd be looking for another job, because I value my life more than dollars. Companies which don't do proper maintenance have crashes. They always seem to have plenty of pilots, though.

[joker]

What is intergity anyway?

 

Edited: Damn, Gomer was on that WAY before anyone else!!! (Post #3)

Edited November 11, 2007 by joker

[Mike Murphy]

Tell 'em you have no problem taking the aircraft as long as the duels are removed