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nbit Community Regular

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Judging by all the recorded mic sound and the women's hair looks like he departed downwind in a reasonably stiff wind. Maybe smashed RH pedal into the wind and got LTE. Hope the marriage started better than the flight.

klas Rising Star

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I love it when at about 1:23 into it, there is an old lady in the view waving goodbye as if nothing was wrong, & all the other people are gasping...

1badz32 Community Regular

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At first it looked intentional, it looked like the pilot was in a hurry to get the heli above the biuldings and the nose into the wind, but after that its anyone's guess??

ironranger Collaborator

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Falko, I'm glad you said that instead of me. I would probably be making my own supper and washing my own clothes if i made that statement. :)

 

ironranger

Goldy Grand Master

Goldy

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Judging by all the recorded mic sound and the women's hair looks like he departed downwind in a reasonably stiff wind. Maybe smashed RH pedal into the wind and got LTE. Hope the marriage started better than the flight.

 

Hmmm.. me thinks not. I would be writing up a piece of paper with FAR 91.13 (a) on it, if I worked for the FAA.....but I dont !

 

Watch the part where he has forward speed. yet he is still jerking the tail around. Didnt look that windy to me, and the wind noise in the mic is caused by the copter downwash....

 

Whether intentional or poor flying, its a very sorry attempt, and the pilot should get his butt kicked.

 

Just my opinion and attitude of course,

 

Goldy

nbit Community Regular

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Hey Goldy... Just my points... The wind noise was there before and after the machine was gone, even before the guy pulled pitch. And the camera looked to be more than 100' away from the machine, maybe double that. Makes me doubt rotorwash causing the wind noise in the mic. Also as I mentioned previously, the guy was headed downwind, after the vertical part of the mess, based on the hair on the womens heads. If it was traveling downwind, i.e.- with the wind.... The machine would *not* have forward speed (airspeed). If I was cleaning my shorts, I might be kicking the pedals and jerking the tail around myself, and all the other controls - which it looks like he is doing. ...That's a natural reaction to the condition of the "Wow, OMG... What's going on in my world!!!" feeling one gets in a situation such as this... He appeared to be in a high power situation with the wind hitting the RH side of the machine when he initiated his vertical ascent. Perfect recipe for LTE in a AStar, with the CW rotation, (Gusty wind from the RH side, high power, low airspeed). FAA says to avoid high power settings in below 30 knots airspeed in conditions conducive to LTE. LTE in an AStar, it rotates to the LH side, like in the video. Looks like he lowered the power going downwind after he scared the crap out of himself, then started getting in more trouble, which he was fortunate to get out of. So I'll still stay in disagreement. But I'm open for argument ;)

 

BTW - Sent an acquaintance of mine, that has been unfortunately been in an LTE accident, very early in his career (does that make him an expert?), the video link. He felt the same. ...But doesn't mean we're correct. We weren't there. Just best guesses for an armchair argument. ..Aren't they fun? :P

 

Also agree with what Gomer said, pretty stupid to return to HOGE after all that mess, and more so with all the people close by. He was astute to mention that. Seems like a "macho-trying to save face move". Goes along with the personality of someone that would most likely get in that trouble to start with.

 

I'll agree with all your other commentary ;) Your attitude is upside down compared to mine, so I understand (avatar implied) :P Take care & be careful out there... :)

 

Hmmm.. me thinks not. I would be writing up a piece of paper with FAR 91.13 (a) on it, if I worked for the FAA.....but I dont !

 

Watch the part where he has forward speed. yet he is still jerking the tail around. Didnt look that windy to me, and the wind noise in the mic is caused by the copter downwash....

 

Whether intentional or poor flying, its a very sorry attempt, and the pilot should get his butt kicked.

 

Just my opinion and attitude of course,

 

Goldy

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Goldy Grand Master

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Hey Goldy... Just my points...

 

Hey Matt- You looked way too hard at that video!! However, I am glad we both agree that his handling of the aircraft was less than professional !

 

Fly safe !!

oh yeah, when taking off its always best to head INTO the wind !!

 

Goldy

nbit Community Regular

nbit

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Hey Matt- You looked way too hard at that video!! However, I am glad we both agree that his handling of the aircraft was less than professional !

 

Fly safe !!

oh yeah, when taking off its always best to head INTO the wind !!

 

Goldy

 

You caught me... I have too much time on my hands lately. :P Then I look at the videos. Guilty as charged.

Goldy Grand Master

Goldy

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Kind of funny that the video is now removed by user... Member here maybe???

 

Nope, cant be a member of the VR community. We know how to fly helicopters.

negative balance Explorer

negative balance

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OMG that old guy looked like my flight instructor, Dirty old man couldn't keep his eyes out of my top during Autos.

 

I guess its true, Men are just boys with jobs. :P

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1badz32 Community Regular

1badz32

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Dirty old man couldn't keep his eyes out of my top during Autos.

 

now now... maybe he was, ah, trying to.... read the words on your shirt... :unsure: :D

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The trouble with trying to analyse videos like this is that there are too few cues to allow accurate depth perception. :huh: Without arguing with any of the previous comments, I DO think that to claim "helicopter almost crashes into house" is perhaps a bit hyperbolic- not that the news media would EVER indulge in such a practice! :lol: It looks at least possible to me that the ship passed to the right of the house and was beyond and quite a bit above the ridge line in the frame that looks to be "a close call", but without, as I say, some better distance refs or a session with still frames and calipers it's kind of hard to say for sure. And while the liftoff does look abrupt (by MY standards, too) and the rotations afterwards appear to be less than precisely controlled, it's entirely possible that the entire sequence was an intentional show for the crowd. I won't comment on the advisability of that without knowing A LOT more about the pilot's experience and skill levels.

 

The point is, it's WAY too easy to criticise someone else's flying technique or judgement based on partial information. It's worth considering how you would feel should you be subjected to the same kind of scrutiny...

Perhaps the pilot's biggest lapse in judgement was to perform such a manuever (intentionally or not) in front of a video camera and allowing the results to end up on the internet! Maybe that's why he came back- to get the camera and destroy the tape! :P

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