Tenacious T Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 Anybody have any info about hiring process/minimums/pay/general info for offshore operations in the North Sea? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helonorth Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 Am am not certain of any of this, but from what I have read on www.pprune.org, you can get on as a SIC with as little as 300 hours. The only problem is a JAAlicense with an instrument, which is very expensive to get. You have to dothe instrument training in a IFR certified twin. I think you're looking at 30K ormore just for the instrument (i'm talking add-on). Pay is in the 100K range.You could get the real scoop a pprune.org. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious T Posted January 16, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 I guess I thought you could just get a work visa or something, I'll check out pprune Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helonorth Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 A work visa will not get you around the JAA requirements, same as a work visa willnot get you around the FAA. You still have to meet the requirements of that particulargovernment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helihead Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 A work visa will not get you around the JAA requirements, same as a work visa willnot get you around the FAA. You still have to meet the requirements of that particulargovernment.even with ATP ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SquirrelFlight Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 Okay, my surfing skills may be waning a bit here, but I wasn't able to find much on the pprune web page, so I thought I'd ask: aside from the requirement of instrument training being done in a turbine, what other differences are there between FAA and JAA certifications? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SquirrelFlight Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 Okay, my surfing skills may be waning a bit here, but I wasn't able to find much on the pprune web page, so I thought I'd ask: aside from the requirement of instrument training being done in a turbine, what other differences are there between FAA and JAA certifications? Is it bad form to reply to myself? Anyway, it's kind of a slow work day for me, so I went looking for JAA requirements and found here a listing of requirements/regulations for JAA. In the doc for helicopters (JAR-FCL 2) I found (sorry for the funky formatting in the table): --- Appendix 1 to JAR–FCL 2.015Minimum requirements for the validation of pilot licences of non-JAA States1 The minimum requirements for the validation of a pilot licence of a non-JAA State by a JAA MemberState are specified below.Pilot licences for commercial air transportation and other professional activities2 A pilot licence issued in accordance with ICAO Annex 1 by a non-JAA State may be validated subject toconditions by a JAA Member State in order to permit flights (other than for flight instruction) in helicoptersregistered in that JAA Member State. To validate such licences, the holder shall:(a ) complete, as a skill test, the type rating revalidation requirements of JAR–FCL 2.245 relevant tothe privileges of the licence held;(B ) demonstrate to the satisfaction of the Authority that a knowledge of the relevant parts of JAR–OPSand JAR–FCL (see AMC FCL 2.005 and 2.015) has been acquired;© demonstrate a knowledge of English in accordance with JAR–FCL 2.200;(d) hold a valid JAR–FCL Class 1 medical certificate;(e) meet any published additional requirements that the JAA Member State deems necessary; and(f) comply with the experience requirements set out in column (2) of the following table in relation tothe validation conditions specified in column (3): Licence heldTotal flying hours experienceValidation conditions( c)[*]ATPL(H) valid IR>1 000 hours as PIC on multi-pilot helicoptersCommercial air transport in multi-pilot helicopters as PIC in VFR and IR operations[*]ATPL(H) no IR privileges>1 000 hours as PIC on multi-pilot helicoptersCommercial air transport in multi-pilot helicopters as PIC in VFR operations [*]ATPL(H) valid IR>1 000 hours as pilot on multi-pilot helicoptersCommercial air transport in multi-pilot helicoptersas co-pilot in VFR and IFR operations [*]ATPL(H) no IR privileges>1 000 hours as pilot on multi-pilot helicoptersCommercial air transport in multi-pilot helicopters as co-pilot in VFR operations[*]CPL(H)/IR*>1 000 hours as pilot on multi-pilot helicoptersCommercial air transport in multi-pilot helicopters as co-pilot[*]CPL(H)/IR>1 000 hours as PIC in commercial air transport since gaining an IRCommercial air transport in single-pilothelicopters as PIC [*]CPL(H) **>700 hours in helicopters other than those certificated under JAR–27/29, including 200 hours in the activity role for which validation is sought, and 50 hours in that role in the last 12 monthsActivities in helicopters other than commercial air transport [*]*CPL/IR holders on multi-pilot helicopters shall have demonstrated ICAO ATPL level knowledge beforevalidation --- This doesn't sound too unreasonable. Of course, I haven't finished reading the whole section yet, and something might pop up there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMS Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 All JAA states have their own national rules, so it depends on which country you're looking at (I'm not sure, but the FCL rules might be more for guidence). The UK CAA requirements are detailed in a document called LASORS (www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/LASORS_07.pdf). As for differences between FAA and JAA (UK requirements), here goes: 1. Private licence/certificate differences: # hours required are similar, although JAA requires 5 hrs of instrument training, but no night. You also need to pass 7 theory exams, get a JAA class 1 or 2 medical and an RT licence. (Night is a separate rating and required for the commercial course). 2. Commercial differences: This is where it becomes somewhat complicated, depending on whether you choose the modular or integrated route (I guess in some way it's like training under Part 141 or 61). The hour requirements are different between the 2 routes.Where the differences are clearly apparent is in the theory requirements (number of exams, not necessarily the content): 9 exams and a set number of hours of theoretical knowledge instruction, which has to be conducted by a registered organization (could be on-site or distance learning, but always involves an on-site refresher before exams). Plus of course a JAA class 1 medical. 3. ATP differences: Again more differences. You can do a zero hours to frozen ATP on an integrated course, which actually means you end up with a CPL/IR with ATP theory credits, plus maybe MCC (multi crew cooperation). The theory now consists of 14 exams, taken either on-site or distance learning from a registered organization, again with an on-site refresher before exams. Pprune has lots of info on the exams, schools to use etc, and of course comments regarding the usefulness of the theory. Theory can take 6 months to a year, depending on the method used. Again, a JAA class 1 medical is required. The requirements for "un-freezing" an ATP specify such things as 350 hours on multi-pilot helicopters etc etc. The definition of a multi-pilot helicopter is very specific, and usually means helicopters like the S92, EC225, which are usually used in the offshore environment. 4. Instrument rating: As mentioned before, the IR(H) is an expensive undertaking. It can be single or twin but most training orgs go the twin route. Luckily you can do most of the training in "simulators", but even 10 hours in a twin requires serious cash. The number of hours you can do depends on the type of device used. Of course there are exams (7), unless you already passed the ATP exams. For all the above there are credits for ICAO licences/ratings held, which in the case of the IR could reduce the cost considerably (unless you need lots of training). What can't really be avoided is the exams (or flight tests!), unless you have thousands of hours in multi-pilot aircraft (as PIC). Each helicopter type you convert to is regarded as a type rating (yes, even for R22, R44, S300). As with anything JAA, everything costs money. Each theory exam, licence issue, examiner fees etc. Some of the JAA training can be done at approved schools in the USA (Bristow Academy), except the IR which has to be done in JAA-land, and the IR theory and flight training/test has to be done in the same JAA country (Denmark seems to be a popular destination for the IR, possibly due to availability and cost compared to the UK) None of this addresses the "right to work in the EU/JAA-land" issues. As I mentioned, the UK requirements are in LASORS, and are mostly clear (especially after a couple of reads). -DMS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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