Helihead Posted May 23, 2008 Posted May 23, 2008 Do you need to go to the robbinson safety course to be able to instruct in one... and do DPE's have to fail a certain percentage of there checkrides (initial checkrides)? some instructor just told me that and that sounds a little goofy, I dont think 100% would pass the initialy just courious is there is any proof to this?
Tenacious T Posted May 24, 2008 Posted May 24, 2008 No to both. Some schools insurance may require the Robinson safety course but it is not required per the FARs.
NorCalHeliKid Posted May 24, 2008 Posted May 24, 2008 No to both. Some schools insurance may require the Robinson safety course but it is not required per the FARs. Well, I wasnt going to get into that because I like simple answers but you are correct. Now, try finding a Robinson school that can afford not to use Pathfinder.
gft Posted May 25, 2008 Posted May 25, 2008 Sooner or later you'll wish you had the safety course completed and behind you.Like when you have to turn down a flight or job because you haven't attended.It's a must for all Robys flying under the Pathfinder umbrella. (there's a bunch of them)The safety course is both informative and fun.You'll meet pilots from all over the country and world.Highlights include a factory tour and great donuts every morning. happy flying,gft
helonorth Posted May 25, 2008 Posted May 25, 2008 Well, I wasnt going to get into that because I like simple answers but you are correct. Now, try finding a Robinson school that can afford not to use Pathfinder.Northern Helicopters in Hibbing Mn. I'm guessing there are plenty more.
tattooed Posted May 25, 2008 Posted May 25, 2008 Just super curious....do you not want to go to the course? Or are you simply asking a "what if" type of question? I can hardly wait to....I'm going down with a bunch of people from my school July 21st. Seems that HAI is having a full on "Hostile Take-over" that week! Everyone I have talked to that has gone has LOVED it. Said it was not only super fun, but they learned soooooo much that it really was more than worth the time.
Helihead Posted May 25, 2008 Author Posted May 25, 2008 Just super curious....do you not want to go to the course? Or are you simply asking a "what if" type of question? I can hardly wait to....I'm going down with a bunch of people from my school July 21st. Seems that HAI is having a full on "Hostile Take-over" that week! Everyone I have talked to that has gone has LOVED it. Said it was not only super fun, but they learned soooooo much that it really was more than worth the time. The reason I ask is I didn't see anything in the FAR where you needed it. I am not against it I am sure it would be great. But if I dont have to before I instruct I would rather put it off, and fly 300s or something. Isn't Pathfinder actually Robbinson or closely related? That seems a little weird if it is, a company insuring it self making you take there course, Why do I have to travle all the way across the country, cant the people at robbinson teach others what they know and have seminars all over the united states? It wouldnt hurt my feelings if I never flew a robbinson again because I didnt take the course. Would going make me a better Pilot absolutly. I dont have the time or money right now. If I did I would go to the Bell course.
Goldy Posted May 25, 2008 Posted May 25, 2008 I dont have the time or money right now. If I did I would go to the Bell course. Then don't go...but don't fly Robbies either. Forget the insurance requirements, the course opens your eyes to many capabilities...and many pitfalls of Frank's helicopters. And BTW, Robbies and Bell 2 blades share many of the same main rotor characteristics.... Goldy
jtravis1 Posted May 26, 2008 Posted May 26, 2008 With regard to DPE pass rate,..... I was told by a DPE that I know well, that if his pass rate is too high, he would come under more scrutiny. He told me that he is "expected" to fail about one out of ten students. If his pass rate is high, he expects to be observed more often.
gft Posted May 26, 2008 Posted May 26, 2008 Why do I have to travle all the way across the country, cant the people at robbinson teach others what they know and have seminars all over the united states? It wouldnt hurt my feelings if I never flew a robbinson again because I didnt take the course. Would going make me a better Pilot absolutly. I dont have the time or money right now. If I did I would go to the Bell course. I guess they could come to you and others, however the class at the factory is kind of special.Frank Robinson usually opens the class and spends a few hours chatting and answering questions.Other speakers are cream of the crop factory people, most of which have been with Robinson for years with lots of knowledge to pass on.They feed ya lunch (Frank usually comes around for that too). You will also get a great tour of the facility.After the classroom stuff is done they let you fly one of their new helicopters. In my case we flew to the port of Long Beach and practiced autos. Did full downs back at TOA.Did I mention the morning break donuts?Yeah, it's a pain in the butt to travel to LA, but I think the safety class is worth the price of admission.When you get the time and the money check it out. gft
C.R.O. Posted May 26, 2008 Posted May 26, 2008 I agree. Overall, I thought it was a bargain. It was a great class, and I learned a lot, both in the classroom and in the flight.
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