Bell Mating Call

[Goldy]

Ok, I had not heard or seen of this before. I can't find a reference in the NTSB database, but it's probably in there somewhere.

 

Seems a 407 snuck up and got close and personal to a 206LR. You can see the blade damage on the 407.

 

I have a lot of photos of this from different angles, but I'll just post this one.

 

Maybe a GOM or PHI guy can tell me more about it? BTW, I am not trying to slam anyone here, I just like to learn from others so I don't have as much explaining to do !!!

 

I figured it would get more attention here than on the Utility section.

 

Goldy

[clay]

whats a 206LR?

[Goldy]

whats a 206LR?

 

Sorry, my abbreviation for a Long Ranger, also known as a 206L4....to be precise!

 

Wanna buy one cheap? Just needs new paint!

 

Here's another photo showing the 407 with the new "Short Blade STC".. I assume from the photos that no one was hurt, however the front nose of the 407 shows evidence of a blade strike. The only way I could see that happening is with a very low rotor RPM and maybe the blade tearing off.

 

Goldy

Edited October 17, 2009 by Goldy

[rollthbns]

One of the guys that was an instructor here came by a couple weeks ago and was telling us a story about an incident that I believe is the one in the photo. The way i recall it, it was a hot fueling 407 that was blown into the 206 thanks to a squall that was coming through. Not sure of all the details, but I understand the pilot at the controls simply had to go for a ride, couldnt lift due to the fueling operation.

 

I hope someone with the actual information can come on and outline the details!

[arotrhd]

OUCHER-POUCHER!

 

'Nother lesson to be learned.

 

-WATCH FOR THE WIRES-

[rotormatic1]

Folks in canada call a 206L with a conversion to the C20R engine a 206LR.

 

http://www.soloy.com/Products/Rotorcraft/B...n+/default.aspx

 

Universal Helicopters Newfoundland Limited (UHNL)

 

Bell Helicopter Textron 206L/R

 

This time tested seven place airframe has been refitted with the Allison 250-C20R engine which gives, on average, 14% better performance over the original powerplant. We have experienced much more efficient operations, particularly in hot and humid conditions, combined with reduced unscheduled maintenance since this airframe/powerplant combination was introduced to UHNL in 1990.UHNL operates the largest fleet of C-20R engined aircraft in North America.

 

UHNL's Bell 206 L-R has the following specifications:

 

250 pounds of rear baggage compartment storage

Cargo Hook capacity of 1500 lbs. (short hauls )

Endurance- 3.5 hours

Cruise speed- 130 mph (on skids) 115 mph (on fixed floats)

Fuel Consumption- 130 litres per hour

Full intercom with headsets

Global Positioning System equipment (Trimble)

VHF ,HF and programmable FM radios

Electric Auxiliary fuel pump assembly for refuelling from drums

Emergency ration and survival kit including sleeping bags and tent

Ambulance configuration for carrying stretcher kits

Wedge windows allowing for more room in the back seat.

[Inferno]

I know the pilot of the 206L. The 206L was shut down and tied down. The pilot of the 407 was hotfueling, and was hit by a microburst. Before she could react, it was blown into the 206 and almost off the deck. The only thing that saved her from going over the edge was the tiedowns for the 206 catching her skids.

 

She was at flight idle, and it happened so quick, she wouldn;t have been able to do anything about it anyways...

[MN Heli Flyer]

I am glad no one was seriously injured in the incident. Although two helicopters were damaged it sounds like it may have prevented a possible fatality.

 

Metal can be replaced. Lives cannot.

 

Be safe out there!!

[Gomer Pylot]

The Long Ranger is the entire L series, from the straight L through the L4. That's what the L stands for - Long.

[delorean]

Folks in canada call a 206L with a conversion to the C20R engine a 206LR.

 

http://www.soloy.com/Products/Rotorcraft/B...n+/default.aspx

 

Universal Helicopters Newfoundland Limited (UHNL)

 

Bell Helicopter Textron 206L/R

 

This time tested seven place airframe has been refitted with the Allison 250-C20R engine which gives, on average, 14% better performance over the original powerplant. We have experienced much more efficient operations, particularly in hot and humid conditions, combined with reduced unscheduled maintenance since this airframe/powerplant combination was introduced to UHNL in 1990.UHNL operates the largest fleet of C-20R engined aircraft in North America.

 

UHNL's Bell 206 L-R has the following specifications:

 

250 pounds of rear baggage compartment storage

Cargo Hook capacity of 1500 lbs. (short hauls )

Endurance- 3.5 hours

Cruise speed- 130 mph (on skids) 115 mph (on fixed floats)

Fuel Consumption- 130 litres per hour

Full intercom with headsets

Global Positioning System equipment (Trimble)

VHF ,HF and programmable FM radios

Electric Auxiliary fuel pump assembly for refuelling from drums

Emergency ration and survival kit including sleeping bags and tent

Ambulance configuration for carrying stretcher kits

Wedge windows allowing for more room in the back seat.

 

 

Was this the conversion that went to TWO C20s? Also known as the 206LT? I know they only made a dozen or so. There's two youtube videos of one of those getting into LTE climbing out of a bull fighting ring in Spain (from the outside and from the back seat.)

 

I can't imgaine that helicopter with a C20. The L1 was underpowered with the C28 in it, much less the C20. The straight L had a C20 with an alcohol bottle in the baggage compartment. When you passed a certain torque or temp, it would divert the alcohol to the engine, drop the temp, and give you a boost.

 

Was there ever a L2?

[EC120AV8R]

Was this the conversion that went to TWO C20s? Also known as the 206LT? I know they only made a dozen or so. There's two youtube videos of one of those getting into LTE climbing out of a bull fighting ring in Spain (from the outside and from the back seat.)

 

I can't imgaine that helicopter with a C20. The L1 was underpowered with the C28 in it, much less the C20. The straight L had a C20 with an alcohol bottle in the baggage compartment. When you passed a certain torque or temp, it would divert the alcohol to the engine, drop the temp, and give you a boost.

 

Was there ever a L2?

 

I think the 206LT was a production model by Bell (very limited production, as you said about a dozen or so). There was a conversion by Tridair Helicopters prior to Bell's production model, and it was known as the Gemini ST. I think that video you mentioned was one of the Tridair conversions.

[Goldy]

I know the pilot of the 206L. The 206L was shut down and tied down. The pilot of the 407 was hotfueling, and was hit by a microburst. Before she could react, it was blown into the 206 and almost off the deck. The only thing that saved her from going over the edge was the tiedowns for the 206 catching her skids.

 

She was at flight idle, and it happened so quick, she wouldn;t have been able to do anything about it anyways...

 

 

Ok guys, back to the post!

 

Now it makes sense. There is not any NTSB data on either ship being in a wreck. For those that read 830, they know in this situation there is not the "intention of flight", hence no report.

 

I have a photo of the skids, it does show the 407 extremely close to the edge..very lucky indeed. Glad to hear all were ok. I figured it had to be some rough weather that joined the two.

 

Goldy

[Wil]

Spooky...anyone know who the "her" pilot is of the 407? hope all is well.

[Gomer Pylot]

The straight L was ok, but could be TOT limited. We had water/alcohol injection, a tank in the baggage compartment pressurized by bleed air, and if you were about to overtemp, you could flip a switch on the collective which injected the mixture into the engine intake, and lowered the temp dramatically. Other than that, it would outperform an L1, because it used a lot less fuel and actually cruised faster.

 

There was no L2 that I know of. I have never, ever run out of engine power on an L1 at lower altitudes. Torque yes, but never engine. At 100% torque in an L1 at sea level or a couple of thousand feet, the TOT will still be in the green, or the yellow at worst. The only reason for an L3 is high altitude work, where you can be TOT limited. The L3 with the increased horsepower model is nice, though, giving an extra 5% torque (4.8%, actually, but you can't read .2% anyway) for takeoff, which is occasionally useful. In most situations, torque is limiting, not engine performance.

 

Bell's model-numbering system is quirky at best. There was also no C, D, E, or anything else between the B and L, but there were multiple B models.

[rotorrodent]

The Long Ranger is the entire L series, from the straight L through the L4. That's what the L stands for - Long.

 

 

I thought the "L" meant Lone!

 

ROFL

 

Rotorrodent

[clay]

I know what a 206L is. I was giving Goldy a hard time. I chuckled a bit.

[bluethunder]

 

Sorry, my abbreviation for a Long Ranger, also known as a 206L4....to be precise!

 

Wanna buy one cheap? Just needs new paint!

 

 

 

Goldy

 

Goldy,

I've been looking for a LongRanger. More details please (unless of course you are talking about the one in this thread .

matt@blueconcalgary.ca. Thanks

Edited October 20, 2009 by bluethunder

[Goldy]

Goldy,

I've been looking for a LongRanger. More details please (unless of course you are talking about the one in this thread .

matt@blueconcalgary.ca. Thanks

 

 

This is too damn funny.

 

Clay- I knew you were giving me a hard time, I just didnt expect the next 10 posts to be discussing those details!

 

Bluethunder- send me a PM, Actually I do know of one very well maintained, sweet ship coming out to auction. If I could bid on it I would, since I won't be, I'd be happy to share the info with you.

 

Goldy