$99 per hour in january

[H500pilot]

If anybody wants to build some time in oregon this january. im offering blocks of time for $99 per hour wet in my R22. Email or pm me if interested.

Edited December 19, 2007 by H500pilot

[Sparker]

Solo?

[Voluptuary5]

Where are you out of?

 

 

-V5

[H500pilot]

Solo?

 

It can be Solo if you check out with me for a few hours.

[In God We Trust]

I'm interested. I'm not sure how to pm yet, but feel free to pm me and maybe we can work something out.

Thanks.

Edited December 20, 2007 by In God We Trust

[negative balance]

I'm interested. Give me a cal and see if we can work something out. (***) ***-***

 

You should only PM personal information across an open board,

I just had my personal identification taken and its been a real learning experience.

I had a worm or key logger that was tracking my every move. They might know about this place we all love to come and yes it could be all my fault. So I send a warning to ALL. If your smart you'll edit your post and delete your number.

 

Please understand, I only mean to be helpful and I'm not trying to be some kind of Internet cop.

LD~

Edited December 20, 2007 by negative balance

[bellpilot]

WOW, Can I buy 2200 hours up front? And what insurance company do you use? This is one way to get students from Hillsboro, Precision and go out of business. Loose large amounts of money!

[In God We Trust]

You should only PM personal information across an open board,

I just had my personal identification taken and its been a real learning experience.

I had a worm or key logger that was tracking my every move. They might know about this place we all love to come and yes it could be all my fault. So I send a warning to ALL. If your smart you'll edit your post and delete your number.

 

Please understand, I only mean to be helpful and I'm not trying to be some kind of Internet cop.

LD~

 

Well received, thanks for the advice. On that note how do you pm, i do not see that option on the reply board.

[negative balance]

Well received, thanks for the advice. On that note how do you pm, i do not see that option on the reply board.

 

Cursor over to name of person you wish to make contact with.

Then click on name.

A menu appears and the third option is send message.

There you go ! happy PM-ing

[H500pilot]

WOW, Can I buy 2200 hours up front? And what insurance company do you use? This is one way to get students from Hillsboro, Precision and go out of business. Loose large amounts of money!

 

 

My insurance is with Sutton James underwritten by AIG Aviation. The only reason I am doing this is because the helicopter will just be sitting there for the month of January. SO I might as well let some people build some CHEAP time. After January it will be busy with students paying my regular rate of $199 Dual and $170 solo.

 

Were you saying Im going to "loose large amounts of money and go out of business?"

[hoverflyr]

What do you mean by build time? Do you rent the helicopter to someone for $99.00 per hr wet, or do they ride along with you when ever you go somewhere. You have posted some different request on this site and I am trying to find out if you are real. You ask people to pay to bring your R22 to Oregan, than you are looking for a CFI because yours disapeared on you. Sounds like you have some issues.

[H500pilot]

What do you mean by build time? Do you rent the helicopter to someone for $99.00 per hr wet, or do they ride along with you when ever you go somewhere. You have posted some different request on this site and I am trying to find out if you are real. You ask people to pay to bring your R22 to Oregan, than you are looking for a CFI because yours disapeared on you. Sounds like you have some issues.

 

 

What issues would I have? I had one CFI say he would come teach, then he decided he didnt want to come to Oregon. I have since hired a new CFI, no issue there.

 

My R22 is currently flying to Oregon as we speak, no issue there either.

 

What I mean by build time is just like it sounds. Build some cheap time. My CFI or me will fly with you for a majority of the time, if we feel ok with your flying, you are more than welcome to fly solo locally.

 

Why do people get so uptight when somebody tries to offer a good deal? $99 per hour is a great deal! I dont understand.

[Voluptuary5]

My CFI or me will fly with you for a majority of the time, if we feel ok with your flying, you are more than welcome to fly solo locally.

 

Why do people get so uptight when somebody tries to offer a good deal? $99 per hour is a great deal! I dont understand.

 

Just to clarify. That is $99.00/hour wet with a CFI?

 

Where are you located?

 

 

-V5

[bellpilot]

Yes, If you keep that up on your price you would go out of business unless you are Bill Gates. Talking from experience you would be better off to place your Robinson on no rotors in motion on your insurance and build your client list then start your program. You will never recoup your lost revenue when it comes time to do the overhaul on the R22. The margins are to small!!!!

Edited December 21, 2007 by bellpilot

[Fiasco]

I wish I already had my PPL and commercial licenses! I'd be all over that.

[propwasher]

Yes, If you keep that up on your price you would go out of business unless you are Bill Gates. Talking from experience you would be better off to place you Robinson on no rotors in motion on your insurance and build your client list then start your program. You will never recoup your lost revenue when it comes time to do the overhaul on the R22. The margins are to small!!!!

 

 

Might be the issue of 12 years vs. 2200 hours for overhaul - I've seen helicopters with 6 months till the 12 year and 900 hours still left to burn! So you can either let someone fly them off, or just throw them away come overhaul time. Or perhaps this fellow wants to get some experience instructing in his new ship (new to him). Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe insurance companies look at "flight instruction" and "time building" differently - maybe he needs to build some time for insurance before he can begin instructing.

 

 

Could be any number of reasons - we should be encouraging this sort of thing, not trying to be critical of his offer. Plenty of low-timers who could really benefit financially from this if he follows through.

Sounds like he may own more than one helicopter so he's probably crunched the numbers already.

 

Just my dos pesos.

Kevin

[hoverflyr]

I am not trying to be critical or bust this fellows bubble, all I'm trying to do is question his intentions and make sure he is not a scamer or someone whoses intentions are not good, something this site has seen in the past (High Sierra, SSH, Alexander Air, etc) Time will tell, just remember if it quacks like a duck....it aint a helicopter.

[propwasher]

Hoverflyr - check your PM's.

[bellpilot]

Kevin,

 

You can fly the R22 over the 12 year mark if it is used part 91- 61 and has less than the 2200 hrs. on the aircraft. The only time limit is the blades, they would need to be the -4 style with less than 2200 hrs.......

Edited December 21, 2007 by bellpilot

[propwasher]

You can fly the R22 over the 12 year mark if it is used part 91- 61 and has less than the 2200 hrs. on the aircraft. The only time limit is the blades, they would need to be the -4 style with less than 2200 hrs.......

 

So Part 61 is okay to fly beyond the 12 years but Part 141 you cannot? I was under the impression that it was an insurance issue but I'm probably wrong. Anyone have experience with Pathfinder and non- Pathfinder insurance with regard to flying beyond 12 years? (61 and 141)

[Voluptuary5]

Just to clarify. That is $99.00/hour wet with a CFI?

 

Where are you located?

 

 

-V5

 

Bellpilot,

 

If everything you are offering is on the up-and-up, why won't you answer my questions?

 

 

-V5

[H500pilot]

Sorry about that, I have answered about 30 PM's the today. $99.00 is wet. This is just time building. No instruction. Yes, it is on the up and up, come do it if you like. I am in the Portland area

[bellpilot]

H500pilot,

 

I think your up and up but I hope you don't regret renting your 22 below your cost.

[jehh]

Could be any number of reasons - we should be encouraging this sort of thing, not trying to be critical of his offer. Plenty of low-timers who could really benefit financially from this if he follows through.

Sounds like he may own more than one helicopter so he's probably crunched the numbers already.

 

Just my dos pesos.

Kevin

 

The reason so many of us are critical of offers like this is it harms the industry as a whole when someone out there is willing to lose money at it.

 

$99/hr doesn't cover the direct cost of operations, he'd be better off sticking it in a hanger and not flying it.

 

Lets say he pays $4/gal for fuel. 8 gallons per hour is $32/hr for fuel, plus $54/hr for the 2,200 hour overhaul reserve, plus $25/hr for annuals, 100 hour inspections, oil changes, etc. That is a total of $111/hr. (and that doesn't cover any maintenance surprises)

 

So he is losing money at $99/hr, not even counting insurance, hanger, payment, etc. For that matter, he is going to have a hard time at $170/hr (his normal price), simply because this business needs a margin for error, and he has none.

 

In the long run, he'll figure it out, it just doesn't help the rest of us who already understand why you don't offer R-22s for $170/hr anymore. $210 to $230 is the going rate for a reason.

[bellpilot]

Your right on jehh, Thanks for the detailed costs! We all need to stay on the same page when it comes to student training. There is no secrets to our costs and profits and it is not easy to keep both in check.