brushfire21 Posted June 19, 2006 Posted June 19, 2006 For those interested, here are some pictures from yesterday's air show. For all of you that went, than this will be a recap, for those of you that didn't have the chance to go then here is a small idea of what happened. I saw someone running around with a V-R tee shirt and I wanted one LOL, not sure who you are but hello! I want to say thanks to Rotor91 and Goldy for meeting up with me, its great to meet members from the forum. Hope you all Enjoy and thank you to the admin folks and advertisers for the bandwidth and space for the pics - Roger PS: If anyone else has pics, please post them here for all of us to see what you got. Opening of the Show In front of the Bell Booth (I liked the paint job) Some Misc Pics that I don't feel really need any comments: This is one loud helicopter! Hiller Copter with Ram Jet Engines on the Tips, really cool to watch it fly! USAF C5 Galaxy paid us a visit from Travis AFB (Fairfield, Ca) These guys can fly kites! Someone parked in the fire lane and got towed by a copter! Just kidding, but its not everyday you see a Bell 407 with a car slung underneath it! In the last picture, the pilot had released the cable and let the car attempt a "autorotation" to the ground. The copter was owned by one of the main sponsers wanting some publicity..... California Highway Patrol (CHP) doing a SAR demonstration. A/C is based out of Napa Airport [my neck of the woods ] California Dept of Forestry and Fire Protection (CDF) Super Huey doing what is does best. Copter 106 is based out of Alma Air Attack base (SCU Santa Clara Ranger Unit) Quote
Guest rookie101 Posted June 19, 2006 Posted June 19, 2006 Very cool, thanks for posting the pics. brushfire. I can't imagine how loud that Hiller was Jet engines for rotor tips, now that would be something to see. Quote
DukeChin Posted June 19, 2006 Posted June 19, 2006 California Dept of Forestry and Fire Protection (CDF) Super Huey doing what is does best. Copter 106 is based out of Alma Air Attack base (SCU Santa Clara Ranger Unit)I thought super huey's had two engines and four blades? Just wondering.... Excellent pictures, though! Thanks for sharing these! Quote
Guest rookie101 Posted June 19, 2006 Posted June 19, 2006 hey brushfire or anyone else who attended, did you hear something about a coast guard demonstration turn into the real thing while you were at the airshow. The link below is the article about a plane crashing some two miles away from the airshow. A coast guard helicopter was giving a mock rescue demonstration until it turned into the real thing. (not trying to jack a thread or anything like that, just wondering if one of you guys heard about it and were actually watching that demonstration until the chopper took off.) http://www.sanluisobispo.com/mld/sanluisob...ws/14843988.htm Quote
rotor91 Posted June 19, 2006 Posted June 19, 2006 Yes, the C.G. was about to do their mock demo, when they got the actual call of a plane ditching in the ocean. They weren't in the middle of a demo, but they took off, did what they were suppose to do, and came back like nothing happened. There were 2 C.G. Dauphins there. There were a lot of people at this show.......even saw Frank Robinson walking around! A long drive from L.A., but had a good time! It was nice to see Brushfire and Goldy! I have a lot of pix too, a lot of what Brushfire posted, but maybe I'll post a few! Cheers-Rob Quote
EAGLE1 Posted June 19, 2006 Posted June 19, 2006 Bell 412 has four blades and two engines. I believe the "Super Huey" is an ex-mil huey that has been modified with the Bell 212 rotor and trans. possibly and upgraded engine also. Most of these are public use or restricted aircraft. Quote
DeltaMikeCharlie Posted June 19, 2006 Posted June 19, 2006 Bell 412 has four blades and two engines. I believe the "Super Huey" is an ex-mil huey that has been modified with the Bell 212 rotor and trans. possibly and upgraded engine also. Most of these are public use or restricted aircraft. Found these with a quick search Super Huey http://www.fire.ca.gov/php/fire_er_content.../COPTER2002.pdfSuper Huey http://www.fire.ca.gov/php/about_content/d...perHuey2006.pdfMods http://www.garlickhelicopters.com/uh1h.html Dave Edit:The last site above has all the details for convertion, They use 212 parts to convert both the Huey and Cobra for lifting and fire fighting.Dave Quote
brushfire21 Posted June 19, 2006 Author Posted June 19, 2006 Dukechin, I believe the engine is similiar/same as the Cobra's from what I have heard, and the rest is from the 212. Not sure where the donar transmission came from. If anyone has a hankering to know I could find out if needed, CDF Copter 104 is based just north of me and in the same ranger unit where I work, and one of the Captains that flys on it is an old acquantance. Rotor91, get some of those pics posted, would love to see what you got. Quote
Goldy Posted June 21, 2006 Posted June 21, 2006 Rob & Roger- Great seeing both of you there..anytime you're in the valley give me a call, we'll go buzz around in the great Class B&C spaces of Los Angeles !! My fav part of the show was the ram jet powered Hiller- what a sound! I could not describe it to anyone not there, but I bet I could hear one coming from 20 miles away ! This was definitely not designed as a stealth aircraft ! Quote
brushfire21 Posted June 21, 2006 Author Posted June 21, 2006 Along with the "slealth" noise mode that come with ram jets, what about the fuel usage rate LOL, something like 100-120 gallons per hour (I think that is what the announcer said......) don't think it would make it as a inexpensive training aircraft hahaha!! Quote
Goldy Posted June 22, 2006 Posted June 22, 2006 Along with the "slealth" noise mode that come with ram jets, what about the fuel usage rate LOL, something like 100-120 gallons per hour (I think that is what the announcer said......) don't think it would make it as a inexpensive training aircraft hahaha!! I think you are right, it was about a 30 gallon tank ( built in the pilot seat) and that was good for about 20 minutes...OK, so how many hours (TBO) on a ram jet engine anyway ?? Remember no engine, no transmission to worry about, and you'll stay strong hand cranking the rotor !!! I couldnt believe that part...wasnt there a reference to the G load on the rotor..wasnt it like 100 G's ?? I couldnt believe that Quote
brushfire21 Posted June 23, 2006 Author Posted June 23, 2006 I don't remember what the announcer had said about the G loading, and for some reason I thought it was a 50-55 gallon tank, not a 30 gallon tank, I think I better go get my ears checked...... oh my. I think I was in to much aww watching the contraption hovering and hoping the aircraft was going to stay together and in one piece with the M/R speeding around at a million RPM's. Speaking of that, the T/R was basically invisible, at least to my eyes. Most T/R's you can see a background difference behind the blades, but that one was way FAST! Quote
Gunner Posted June 23, 2006 Posted June 23, 2006 you couldn't see the tail rotor becasue it didnt have one! Hiller HOE-1 Quote
brushfire21 Posted June 24, 2006 Author Posted June 24, 2006 Gunner, For some reason this model had a tail rotor, mounted slightly to the rear of the midway point on the tail boom. Here is a pic of it, and you can see the tailrotor in motion as my camera caught it. After the pilot had set the little copter down and it was coasting to a stop, the T/R became visible again when it was slowing down. Several people around me made comments that they didn't evan know it had one until it was almost stopped. I thought they were tailrotor-less as well, but this one had one for some reason. Hope you can make out the Red tipped with some yellow T/R in the picture.... Quote
Goldy Posted June 24, 2006 Posted June 24, 2006 Gunner, For some reason this model had a tail rotor, mounted slightly to the rear of the midway point on the tail boom. Here is a pic of it, and you can see the tailrotor in motion as my camera caught it. After the pilot had set the little copter down and it was coasting to a stop, the T/R became visible again when it was slowing down. Several people around me made comments that they didn't evan know it had one until it was almost stopped. I thought they were tailrotor-less as well, but this one had one for some reason. Hope you can make out the Red tipped with some yellow T/R in the picture.... One of the Hiller museum guys told me the tail rotor's only function was to turn the aircraft, since there is no other way to turn or yaw in a hover...and its so small in diameter, it takes very little power away from the main shaft. Quote
brushfire21 Posted June 24, 2006 Author Posted June 24, 2006 Goldy, I just now put 1 and 1 together, your profile picture and your comment about the R-22 finally made sense....... I feel so blonde right now. LOL Quote
Goldy Posted June 24, 2006 Posted June 24, 2006 Goldy, I just now put 1 and 1 together, your profile picture and your comment about the R-22 finally made sense....... I feel so blonde right now. LOL Very funny Roger....I like to change pictures now and then to keep em fresh !!! And I really do hate it when the R22 does that inverted stuff !! Goldy Quote
utilitarian Posted June 25, 2006 Posted June 25, 2006 hey brushfire or anyone else who attended, did you hear something about a coast guard demonstration turn into the real thing while you were at the airshow. The link below is the article about a plane crashing some two miles away from the airshow. A coast guard helicopter was giving a mock rescue demonstration until it turned into the real thing. (not trying to jack a thread or anything like that, just wondering if one of you guys heard about it and were actually watching that demonstration until the chopper took off.) http://www.sanluisobispo.com/mld/sanluisob...ws/14843988.htm It was a Cessna 177, Went down 1 mile offshore. I recovered it on 6/21/06. used a diver to rig the A/C, it was sitting in at approx. 14' deep.Weighed about 4200lbs. with water, 2600lbs. without. Pulled it out with a S58T. Quote
brushfire21 Posted June 26, 2006 Author Posted June 26, 2006 I think there was a 58 at the airshow, or one that looked similiar to it. Thanks for sharing Utilitarian, got any pics of the recovery? About 10 years ago I dove on a car and boat that slid backwards at a local boat ramp. The driver was slightly intoxicated and forgot to put the car in gear when he got out to prep the boat for launching. The car slid into the water and the boat had floated the trailer and rear portion of the car. Someone not quite as drunk swam out and cut it free, the car and trailer slipped down and out into the lake. Not quite as exciting as your story, but I think it would have been funnier if we had used a copter! It was a simple recovery, but a costly one at that for the poor sap.... Moral of the story is, awwww shoot don't care any more LOL. Quote
utilitarian Posted June 26, 2006 Posted June 26, 2006 Recovery__2.htmRecovery__2.htmI think there was a 58 at the airshow, or one that looked similiar to it. Thanks for sharing Utilitarian, got any pics of the recovery? About 10 years ago I dove on a car and boat that slid backwards at a local boat ramp. The driver was slightly intoxicated and forgot to put the car in gear when he got out to prep the boat for launching. The car slid into the water and the boat had floated the trailer and rear portion of the car. Someone not quite as drunk swam out and cut it free, the car and trailer slipped down and out into the lake. Not quite as exciting as your story, but I think it would have been funnier if we had used a copter! It was a simple recovery, but a costly one at that for the poor sap.... Moral of the story is, awwww shoot don't care any more LOL. Quote
brushfire21 Posted June 28, 2006 Author Posted June 28, 2006 Not sure about anyone else, I couldn't get it to load or save? Quote
rotor91 Posted June 28, 2006 Posted June 28, 2006 The last one was not at the Vertical Challenge.... Quote
brushfire21 Posted June 29, 2006 Author Posted June 29, 2006 Thanks for posting the pics rotor91, I loved seeing those old Hillers with all the refurbed interiors. Looked like brand new units off the show room kinda. The last pic was a nice addition....... Quote
utilitarian Posted June 29, 2006 Posted June 29, 2006 Recovery__2.htmRecovery__2.htmSame SK58T. Not sure about anyone else, I couldn't get it to load or save? I will try to post recovery shots again. Thank for posting shots of my limp 58T, it had a rough previouse night. Quote
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