$99 per hour in january

[Boatpix]

I have offered timebuilding at $100 per hour for five years at www.r22.us You should call me at 561-346-2816 if you want to do this in Texas or Florida this time of year as we have seats open and 10 cfi's standing by for my 12 helicopters (two mechanics, too). The other fellow offering timebuilding isn't a Hughes 500 pilot although that's his name on VR, doesn't have a CFI as he's in a course at my school right now in an R22, is currently staying at my condo here in Florida for free as I am kind and also has a non-competition agreement with me dated 2-14-2006 that spells out non-solicitation of employees and customers, as well as damages and attorney's fees. I agree with the other people posting that he can't possible offer time at $99 an hour and you'll be dissapointed with the outcome particularly because our program is based upon a photo company BOATPIX.com paying $100 per hour to the helicotper company www.HelicopterAcademy.com to subsidize the flying and he doesn't have such a program. I was in the Seattle/Portland area last month as we are putting a helicopter up there next summer with a pilot that has over 15,000 hours.

[Jeff]

I don't see what the problem is with someone (besides me) losing money on helicopter rental. If the guy wants to charge $99/hr, let him. If he were closer to Cleveland, I might take him up on his offer. I would gladly pay $99/hr wet to rent an R-22, as long as I get to fly wherever and whenever I want. If I owned an R-22, I would rent it at a rate competitive with the industry in my area and drum up business by providing services superior in quality to those of my competitors.

 

JMTC,

 

Jeff

[hoverflyr]

Boatpix has a reasonable plan that works, H500 has a dream that is questionable. He has not answered the question of exactly where he is operating from(airport or base of operation) and he is asking for money up front(block time is up front money) That should sound some bells and whistles.

[apiaguy]

boy this is getting nasty!! I'll keep checking this dang site every 2 hours for new posts as I sit on my butt on vacation... maybe I'll go fly my helicopter!!

[Boatpix]

Boatpix has a reasonable plan that works, H500 has a dream that is questionable. He has not answered the question of exactly where he is operating from(airport or base of operation) and he is asking for money up front(block time is up front money) That should sound some bells and whistles.

 

 

Boatpix has helicopters all over the country near major bodies of water and are currently flying four helicopters today in Florida and the Texas helicopter is idle 'cause there isn't someone who has shown an interest in flying at $100 per hour (but you can call CFI Brett Woods at 317-730-2940 to fly today or tomorrow). You can fly today with Boatpix in Oregon also (Medford) but I got a picture yesterday from CFI Dave Smith showing snow on the helicopter so I don't think it's such a great day for flying. The helicopter that H500Pilot lists at $99 per hour is in Bend, Oregon and has 200 hours to go before an overhaul is required but I don't think it's flying today because I spoke to that fellow and he's in Florida today. If you want to see the locations of where Boatpix flies check out www.helicopteracademy.com and click on locations. And yes, we fly all summer out of Cleveland/Detroit for the poster that's show an interest in that.

[Guest pokey]

boy this is getting nasty!! ... maybe I'll go fly my helicopter!!

 

i hope you dont mind me "snipping" your quote apiaguy, but those that i "snipped" fit MY thoughts exactly !

 

why you seem so hostile boatpix?---remind me never to come fly w/ you, but a free condo in Fla? maybe, what kinda beer is fridge stocked with?

[Voluptuary5]

Could also potentially be smart marketing on the part of H500pilot in the long run.

 

Look at the hype H500 has created already.

 

 

-V5

[H500pilot]

actually boatpix, i am a Hughes 500 pilot. I flew one all summer long. The helicopter actually was flying today. Medford is a long ways from where the helicopter currently is. Yes i am in florida, but on my way home. I see nothing wrong with selling the remaining time off of a helicopter at a discounted rate.

[bellpilot]

I don' think it is in Bend must be in the Portland Metro area? Aurora, Oregon. Sunset helicopter? And I don't think anything is wrong with flying off the time but I still think it is to cheep and you walked away from some money.

Edited December 22, 2007 by bellpilot

[jehh]

actually boatpix, i am a Hughes 500 pilot. I flew one all summer long. The helicopter actually was flying today. Medford is a long ways from where the helicopter currently is. Yes i am in florida, but on my way home. I see nothing wrong with selling the remaining time off of a helicopter at a discounted rate.

 

There is nothing "wrong" with it, in the sense of illegal or immoral...

 

It just annoys the rest of us trying to make a living at it, that's all.

 

Fly safe!

[bellpilot]

Hey jehh,

 

Your right on again!!!

Edited December 23, 2007 by bellpilot

[Goldy]

The helicopter that H500Pilot lists at $99 per hour is in Bend, Oregon and has 200 hours to go before an overhaul is required

 

I'm not getting into the middle of this one, however I was going to say its not that unusual to offer the last hours or so on a ship at a discounted rate. Couple months ago, same thing in LA, we had a ship being offered locally at $100 hour just to burn the last 200 hours off. At that point you are not trying to make money, just get the ship into an overhaul so you can sell it for 180K or so.

 

Goldy

[HeliMott]

If you See my post in this section you'll see that we've been offering $100 an hour for years, in ships that have been newly overhauled, and ships that are in between overhaul cycles.

 

If you can do it there's nothing wrong with it, Helicopter Academy has been doing it for years. Where you run into problems is when your staying in another flight school's condo in Florida and the flight school pays for a ticket for you to go home on an airline like say, JetBlue while you're a part of their program

 

The industry is too small, and when you sign a noncompete clause, it's only your integrity

[H500pilot]

isn't your program 100 per hour, plus fuel? And you have to be out taking pictures to get that price, correct? Otherwise its 250 per hour. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[Collective Down!]

Kevin,

 

You can fly the R22 over the 12 year mark if it is used part 91- 61 and has less than the 2200 hrs. on the aircraft. The only time limit is the blades, they would need to be the -4 style with less than 2200 hrs.......

 

 

Nope, not quite.

 

Take a look at the R22 maintenance manual, section 3.130, which will then refer you to section 2.600 that covers a "limited overhaul" when the ship has less than 2200 hours, but more than 12 years since new or overhaul.

 

Here are just a a few components that have to come off and, at the very least, get inspected by an RHC authorized component overhaul facility:

1. Main rotor blade and spindle assembly
   
2. Main rotor hub assembly
   
3. Main rotor gearbox and mast assembly
   
4. Fanshaft and bearing assembly
   
5. Tail rotor assembly
   
6. Swashplate assembly
   
7. Clutch assembly
   
8. Tail rotor gearbox assembly
   
9. Fanwheel assembly
   

 

Life limited components can not be kept in service beyond their life limit, whether it's an hour limit or calendar limit for part 91 operations. What Bellpilot might have been getting at, is that it's not a full overhaul that needs to be completed, however, it is still pretty intensive.

 

The "Airworthiness Limitations" section of the R22 Maintenance Manual says that the -04 main rotor blades, as well as the tail rotor blades are limited to 2200 hours or 12 years, whichever occurs first.

 

Long story short, you STILL need to overhaul an R22 at 12 years, it's just not a full overhaul.

[propwasher]

<<<Take a look at the R22 maintenance manual, section 3.130, which will then refer you to section 2.600 that covers a "limited overhaul" when the ship has less than 2200 hours, but more than 12 years since new or overhaul.>>>

 

<<<Life limited components can not be kept in service beyond their life limit, whether it's an hour limit or calendar limit for part 91 operations. What Bellpilot might have been getting at, is that it's not a full overhaul that needs to be completed, however, it is still pretty intensive.>>>

 

 

<<<Long story short, you STILL need to overhaul an R22 at 12 years, it's just not a full overhaul.>>>

 

Thanks, Collective Down for clarifying that. I have heard of owners flying beyond the 12 years but only doing personal flying - not instruction. Awfully risky on their part.

 

Maybe H500pilot and BoatPix will get into a bidding war in Oregon and they'll drive the price down so low they'll pay YOU to fly with them!!!! (just kidding....just kidding...)

[delorean]

Nope, not quite.

 

Take a look at the R22 maintenance manual, section 3.130, which will then refer you to section 2.600 that covers a "limited overhaul" when the ship has less than 2200 hours, but more than 12 years since new or overhaul.

 

Life limited components can not be kept in service beyond their life limit, whether it's an hour limit or calendar limit for part 91 operations. What Bellpilot might have been getting at, is that it's not a full overhaul that needs to be completed, however, it is still pretty intensive.

 

The "Airworthiness Limitations" section of the R22 Maintenance Manual says that the -04 main rotor blades, as well as the tail rotor blades are limited to 2200 hours or 12 years, whichever occurs first.

 

Long story short, you STILL need to overhaul an R22 at 12 years, it's just not a full overhaul.

 

That's incorrect..............

 

While RHC may require there helicopters to have overhauls, the FAA does not. RHC can write whatever they want in the MX manual, safety notices, service letters, service bulletins, even mandatory service bulletins, but it's mearly a "recommendation" on their part as viewed by the FAA. Only 121/135 operators have to follow all manfacturer's "recommendations" word for word. Now when they send out a "mandatory" SB, that means it's gonna turn into an AD so you better go ahead and get ready. (ADs are FAA APPROVED)

 

There is only ONE PAGE in the RHC Maint Manual that is marked "FAA APPROVED" and that is the page with the life limited compenents in Sec 3. The blades are the only components with an age limit next to them. Everything else in the MX manual are the manufacturer's recommendations for maintenance. Just like the POH, only the limitations sections is the law--everything else is there recommendation.

 

If you go to the airframe logbooks you'll find all the life limited components listed from section 3. The blades are the only components that have the 12 yr drop dead date. It's perfectly legal to continue flying a 12+ y/o R22 or R44 as long as the blades are less than 12 y/o. The old R22 blades (pre -4) did not have a 12 yr limit on the life limited component page......it was only recommended on previous pages.

 

Here's the kicker though..........Try finding insurance. Insurance will treat you like a 121/135 by saying you must comply with ALL of the manufacturer's manuals, directives, suggestions, orders, whatever. And if you took out a loan on the helicopter, the bank is going to require that you carry both hull and liability insurance and comply with all the insurance company's rules.

 

PS: Some will tell you that you can fly components past there life limits (flight hours, cycles, and or calendar days) if you put the aircraft in an experimental category. This is completely incorrect, illegal, and downright stupid.