61 and 141?

[cem_vert]

I have seen a lot about part 61 and part 141 schools, and it seems that 141 is generally prefered, but what do they actually mean? The closest school to me is a part 61 school, but should I go way out of my area to find a 141 school? I tried the search feature, but got so many returns that did not address my question I didnt know how to filter them down.

[ADRidge]

try this:

 

http://helicopterforum.verticalreference.com/helicopterfor...?showtopic=4690

[Sparker]

141 schools promote the fact that the you can get certificates in fewer hours. I read that you can get a private in 30 hours at a 141 school instead of 40 hours at a 61 school. (It will probably take close to the same hours at either school) 141 has more regulations and I think more guidelines for classes, so it is considered more efficient. In the end, either way you will have a pilots licence. Don't go too far out of your way for either school, find an instructor that cares about your success and stick with it.

[jet trash]

141 schools promote the fact that the you can get certificates in fewer hours. I read that you can get a private in 30 hours at a 141 school instead of 40 hours at a 61 school. (It will probably take close to the same hours at either school) 141 has more regulations and I think more guidelines for classes, so it is considered more efficient. In the end, either way you will have a pilots licence. Don't go too far out of your way for either school, find an instructor that cares about your success and stick with it.

 

In reality all Part 141 means is the school went through enormous hoops with the FAA to gain the certificate. Part 141 is just a long paperwork trail. Does it mean the school is a better school just because they have the 141 certificate? Not really.

 

As far as 141 being more efficent, the short answer is "no".

 

I have a Part 141 certificate, and if I had to do it all over again I wouldn't waste my time with it.

[brushfire21]

With the right person and right circumstances, the 141 can save you some money in the end. I believe the 141 CPL program is roughly 115 hours total versus aprox 155 hours for the 61 program. But if you are trying to teach and you need 200-300 hours, then it doessn't really matter which program.

 

From my research, some schools will hire students turning CFI's (from within there program) sooner with less than 200 hours (non R22 schools I believe) and thats where the 141 could help out possibly, but it seems that its the exception, and not the norm.

 

Also, one other note: In a 141 school, you cannot apply 100% of the time from another school (either 61 or 141 time) towards your certificate with another 141 school. Where as in a 61 school, doesn't matter where you got your time as long as you meet the dual, solo, x-c times. If I got this wrong please correct me....

[cem_vert]

Thanks to all of you, it has been a great help.

[klmmarine]

If you are going to use the GI Bill to pay for some of your training, you must attend a 141 school.

[DebosDave]

If you have some kind of loan requiring part 141, then you are stuck, otherwise, if you are going to be a commercial pilot, you need 150 hours period, no matter how quickly you get your private or instrument.... doesn't matter part 141 or 61 - 150 hours....

 

I have heard the part 141 proponents say you can get your ratings quicker and then have someone else pay to build your hours... but you can't build hours on someone else's dime until you have your commercial.

 

If you have a part 61 near you, go for it, they are more flexible, and will work at your ability level instead of a standard ability level...

 

Dave

[Scottie]

I have seen a lot about part 61 and part 141 schools, and it seems that 141 is generally prefered, but what do they actually mean? The closest school to me is a part 61 school, but should I go way out of my area to find a 141 school? I tried the search feature, but got so many returns that did not address my question I didnt know how to filter them down.

If you are paying for your own training then fly at whatever school you like best. Myself I prefer the Mom & Pop atmosphere of the local part 61 schools, but I can only use my VA benefits at part 141 school.

[brushfire21]

Just becuase a school is 141 rated, doesn't mean it isn't a mom and pop place. You can find both out there.....

[DebosDave]

Just becuase a school is 141 rated, doesn't mean it isn't a mom and pop place. You can find both out there.....

 

This is very true, and because a school is part 61, doesn't mean they are! some are very structured with stage tests and stuff too.

 

Dave

[brushfire21]

From some things I have seen, it seems that some of the unorganized part 61 schools seem to have more of a rep for extending students time and milking every hour they can get out of them.

 

With a 141 syllabus, at least you have guidelines that lets the students know where they are at in the whole progress, doesn't mean the instructor can't keep the student back and milk extra time. When ever I wanted I could look up my training records and see how I stood and what I needed to work on for problems area's, future flights and ground training.

 

I feel very luck that I happened on a smaller 141 school with a good atmosphere and high time instructors. But I know there are some really good 61 schools as well, and they have developed a very organized and thought out curriculum for students.