Time Building!

[volition]

Hi,

I'm looking to build 30 hours, and so far leaning towards the 135$ on a bell 206 for traffic flights. The boatpix is 100$, but without fuel, therefore it's more expensive for the R22 than the B206. Any other places I should look for before I make my choice??

[permison]

where did you find 135 for a 206?

[John90290]

where did you find 135 for a 206?

 

 

I think it's $165 now with commander chuck in Los Angeles flying out of Van Nuys. I heard in the past that there's been a bit of a wait to get on the rotation not sure if that is still the case. There's also HeliClass in LA for 170.

 

 

The most common criticism I’ve read is that you don’t get to start the helicopter, you just fly it.

 

I’ve read posts on this board where people say that’s a bad deal. I agree a hot start is bad but If you bust your butt getting those 1000 hours in a flight school in pistons, you’ve most likely never started a turbine either when you head off to Air Logistics of PHI for your interview and test flight.

 

So there you are 1000 hour CFI guy/gal with no 206 time versus 1000 hour cfi guy/gal with 800 hour piston and 200 bell 206 -never started it hours- who wins? Does the 206 time matter?

 

 

I am curious from those employed how this works? Either way they must transition you into turbines?

 

Gommer could you chime in?

[rotor91]

where did you find 135 for a 206?

 

Probably Commander Chuck Street for KIIS FM in Los Angeles. Although, he also flys for KTLA morning show, as the on-air pilot/reporter! Try Bill @ 714-334-0027 or call Group 3 Aviation 818-994-9376(Claudia was booking flight time, but not sure if she still does) http://group3aviation.com

 

Good luck!

R91

[rotor91]

Probably Commander Chuck Street for KIIS FM in Los Angeles. Although, he also flys for KTLA morning show, as the on-air pilot/reporter! Try Bill @ 714-334-0027 or call Group 3 Aviation 818-994-9376(Claudia was booking flight time, but not sure if she still does) http://group3aviation.com

 

Good luck!

R91

 

BTW

The info for Bill, is in the classifieds in Rotor & Wing magazine too!

 

R91

[permison]

anyone over on the east coast?

[flying high]

Im in Va and had some time to build.Paid $ 100 bucks an hour for 22 time that included fuel. Turbine ? sorry cant help there.

[volition]

I'm in Canada, so we start on the Bell 206 as our fist job. We need 250 hours just to take the instructor course up here. Yes, It's Bill from the rotor&wing magazine. Flying high, can you tell me were I could get those rates?? I'm basically looking for the cheapest rate for time building, and I'm on the East coast too. Thanx in advance.

[permison]

Im in Va and had some time to build.Paid $ 100 bucks an hour for 22 time that included fuel. Turbine ? sorry cant help there.

 

I'm in VA too. Where did you do this?

[John90290]

I'm in Canada, so we start on the Bell 206 as our fist job. We need 250 hours just to take the instructor course up here. Yes, It's Bill from the rotor&wing magazine. Flying high, can you tell me were I could get those rates?? I'm basically looking for the cheapest rate for time building, and I'm on the East coast too. Thanx in advance.

 

 

I read an article a while back that states this outfit offers 206 time building out of their North Carolina office.

 

http://www.heloair.com/

 

Not sure of the price but the article was about a guy that went from zero hours to commercial and then purchased the remainder of his time (toward 1000hrs.) from the los angeles outfit discussed above and this place in North Carolina. it think the prices were similar. He also went to bell safety school in Texas. I had the link but it's dead. The guy is now (or was then) working ENG in Florida. I wish i had printed that article - shucks.

 

Hope this helps

[volition]

THanx

[joker]

Hmmm,

 

I've never really understood how these PPL hour building schemes work.

 

This topic came up a a year ago. Here's the link.

 

http://helicopterforum.verticalreference.com/helicopterfor...ost&p=26949

 

Looking through the thread, it seems we had a pretty good discussion about the privilages and restrictions on the PPL.

 

I don't know if we solved the original question about the PPL timebuilding schemes though!

 

Joker

[Mixmaster]

I would have to agree with joker, I dont have my FARs in front of my but I would guess you would have to be at least a COMM pilot to fly the Helo if it is being paid for. I agree that the flight time alone is useful especally if you get to to the radio work for experence, but it sure would be nice to get the starts cause thats what everyone needs. Anyway good luck with all your searching

Fly Safe

BEN

[svtcobra66]

Not only are there the problems with the FARs, but I guarantee you he's not having you added to his insurance, especially if you're low time. If someone were to get in an accident, and the insurance company looks at both of your logbooks and sees you were building time, then the insurance company is going to get out of paying the claim. Then the operator will probably try to come after you, it just seems like you're taking a big gamble from a liability standpoint. Yes, the other pilot is named on the policy, but if he is not the one on the controls, then he is not acting as the pilot and there will be trouble if an accident occurs. Just be careful when participating in these time building schemes.

[volition]

First; who said anything about a PPL? (Joker just assumed again)

Second; I have a CPL, and I'm looking to get the cheapest way to build flight time without joining the military or instructing. Thank You.

[flying high]

Permission, It was at American helicopters in manassas. The owner has talked about price changes but not sure if they have yet.Call and ask for Jerry ,then ask about block time. 703-368-9599

[flying high]

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Edited April 26, 2007 by flying high

[joker]

(Joker just assumed again)

 

I'm sorry for doing it...again!

 

While I didn't directly address you as the PPL, I admit my train of thought was on that...probably based on the previous discussion last year. My bad!

 

Just for the record, I see no 'legal' problem with CPL building hours like that, so long as you're properly insured and rated etc.etc..

 

I still query the advantages of a CPL doing this, I'd rather pay the same money and galavant around the state gaining PIC solo time, or taking my mates out for a ride...

 

...and I still wonder if it is legal for a PPL to do this.

 

In answer to your original question...I'm sorry I don't know of any cheaper deals out there.

 

Joker

Edited April 26, 2007 by joker

[volition]

Thanx Joker!! Yea, I too love to take the mates out...but if I can get to 300 hours the cheapest way possible for that first job, I'll be super happy, then I'll take the mates up.

[rotor91]

I'm sorry for doing it...again!

 

While I didn't directly address you as the PPL, I admit my train of thought was on that...probably based on the previous discussion last year. My bad!

 

Just for the record, I see no 'legal' problem with CPL building hours like that, so long as you're properly insured and rated etc.etc..

 

I still query the advantages of a CPL doing this, I'd rather pay the same money and galavant around the state gaining PIC solo time, or taking my mates out for a ride...

 

...and I still wonder if it is legal for a PPL to do this.

 

In answer to your original question...I'm sorry I don't know of any cheaper deals out there.

 

Joker

 

My Dad needed something like 250 hours in his new fixed wing(20 years ago), before he could take passengers. He had to have a rated pilot with him at all times. He built the time, with his CFI, and he eventually was able to take passengers. So.......he's building time, but the CFI(rated pilot) his actually PIC? So could he have been logging SIC with a rated pilot?

 

Building time is tough without getting the CFI. The old days of washing helicopters, waxing them, sweeping the hangars, etc. to get some time, seems like a thing of the past. I tried doing this with a family friend who had a 407, but that fell through the cracks like an anvil!

 

R91

[volition]

Sorry, no anwser, the fax does not work, and no response from the email.

 

Permission, It was at American helicopters in manassas. The owner has talked about price changes but not sure if they have yet.Call and ask for Jerry ,then ask about block time. 703-368-9599

[permison]

Sorry, no anwser, the fax does not work, and no response from the email.

 

Gunner got his CFI there. I will be talking with him this weekend and will get the scoop. I know American is still in business. Every FBO at Manassas has been know to have phone problems on occasion. Must be Verizon's lines out there.

[joker]

(Joker just assumed again)

 

OK, don't want to make any assumptions on the type of aircraft your old man was flying(!) so I'll say this.

 

You can only log SIC if two pilots were required for the flight.

 

Joker

[Mixmaster]

Just another thought, if it is a 135 operation are you on the Certificate? if it is not a 135 flight and you are paying for it who is liable for anything if something happens (the station who must of paid for the traffic flight in the first place) or you as the renter?? I know I am not answering any questions, sorry, just wondered. I guess you could call the Fsdo out there for clarification, I am sure they would have already dealt with this.

 

Fly Safe

BEN

[bqmassey]

I'm confused how this works. You guys are paying commercial operators to fly their missions for them?