Future206Pilot Posted January 1, 2008 Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 (edited) And for the first "topic" of the new year I bring you a few Army dudes, their superiors standing to the side, a few pieces of wood, and a Ch-47... "You guys rule! Air Force guys are pussies! Safety this, safety that and no one does anything."-imlaco Edited January 1, 2008 by Future206Pilot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slick1537 Posted January 1, 2008 Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 I can only imagine what its like to pilot one of those monsters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmfish Posted January 1, 2008 Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 I can only imagine what its like to pilot one of those monsters. It is surprisingly responsive, docile, and easy to fly thanks to AFCS and altitude/airspeed hold. It is also incredibly powerful - imagine sitting on the ramp, pulling "top of the green" torque, and shooting straight up into the sky at more than 3500 FPM! Of course, you need a 3rd crew member (flight engineer) to maneuver in tight quarters or do precision hovering like in that video. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future206Pilot Posted January 1, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 Of course, you need a 3rd crew member (flight engineer) to maneuver in tight quarters or do precision hovering like in that video. And he was on board the chopper too... Severian47 -"I was on this bird when it happened. We weren't back taxing. The pilot on the controls landing it, landed whilst turning and the aft right wheel caught the asphalt and snapped off. I was the Flight Engineer at the cabin door and you'll see me get out of the helicopter at around minute 3:00. The pilots did exhibit skill in landing. It's hard to put a 13 Ton plane down on a pallet of wood, whilst taking directions from the FE in the back of the plane. The three guys putting the ten ton jack under the jacking point are all pilots now I think. I am sure two of them are. If you want anymore clarification on this video, send me a message."- Severian47 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1badz32 Posted January 1, 2008 Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 Yikes, that vid made me cringe alittle. Now dont get me wrong, ive done some pretty stupid stunts in my time, but is getting that machine to land on a stack of pallets really worth putting all of those lives at risk?? Maybe this is common practice i dunno, but i guess i would reason the situation differently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FUSE Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 Yikes, that vid made me cringe alittle. Now dont get me wrong, ive done some pretty stupid stunts in my time, but is getting that machine to land on a stack of pallets really worth putting all of those lives at risk?? Maybe this is common practice i dunno, but i guess i would reason the situation differently. I don't think they really put anyone lives at risk that much. Sure they did a bit, but I think the risk would have been greater for the crew of the bird if they would have landed with only three wheels. They would have most likely destroyed, or heavily damaged the bird if they attempted to put it down without doing what they did and possibly killing all on board. You have to remember that the wheels don't retract on the CH-47. So a pure belly down landing was not a possibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future206Pilot Posted January 2, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 You have to remember that the wheels don't retract on the CH-47. So a pure belly down landing was not a possibility. If she were to land with one missing it would probably break off the rest of the gear, thus you have a 25 ton beast sitting on its belly with no way to lift it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mechanic Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 USAF pilots could have taxied it with out snapping off the gear! Former USAF....LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmfish Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 (edited) If she were to land with one missing it would probably break off the rest of the gear, thus you have a 25 ton beast sitting on its belly with no way to lift it. Actually, I don't think the crew had any other choice but to land on those pallets. I don't think the other gear would have broken, but to land on three wheels would have resulted in the right aft corner (where the wheel was missing) to touch the ground - and at that ridiculous angle, without the dampening of the gear, I suspect ground resonance would have resulted in the aircraft ripping itself apart. No, landing on the pallets was the right decision - and a pretty safe one too. Flying like that is actually all in a days work for a CH-47 crew. Really, it wasn't much different than hovering over a load and holding position while the FE hooks the line. Edited January 2, 2008 by palmfish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EC120AV8R Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 Actually, I don't think the crew had any other choice but to land on those pallets. I don't think the other gear would have broken, but to land on three wheels would have resulted in the right aft corner (where the wheel was missing) to touch the ground - and at that ridiculous angle, without the dampening of the gear, I suspect ground resonance would have resulted in the aircraft ripping itself apart. I concur. I'm sure ground resonance was a major concern, so propping the aft corner up was probably the only option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLHooker Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 I am actually surprised (having seen this video a while ago) that the aircraft didn't bounce around even more than it did, having no way of dampening vibrations (pallets have weak struts)...The 47 shakes a bit on startup/shutdown...more so on startup usually though. CHAD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pogue Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 USAF pilots could have taxied it with out snapping off the gear! Former USAF....LOL Although if all their F-15's grounded for disintegrating in flight are any indication, maintaining them might be more of a challenge than the AF is up to... ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mechanic Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 Pogue,Just joking around, lol….. Future206 started it! All branches are fine. The training is all relative. I was in fire truck maintenance, the AF trained the Marines on the Oshkosh fire trucks we used. At the same base the AF trained Marines and Navy on the C130 turbo props. If you were going to be a truck driver in the AF you went to the Army driver school, same for welding in the AF had to go to the Army’s welding school. Just like the AF pilots that fly heli’s go to Mother Rucker… I am sure you know this, Happy New Year, lol…… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Witch Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 Ok, I need to tell a story. Sherman, set the Wayback to Spring 83, place...Hill A.F.B. UT. Some Marines were training on another ramp-transient ramp-and they had brought one of their bomblift trucks-aka jammer-into our shop for repair. The repair was to replace one of the outriggers. The outrigger is a piece of solid steel about 6"X8". The one on their jammer had been bent up and out so it was sticking up about 40 degrees. I'm not exagerating. It would take extreme forces to bend that steel. The story I heard was that a marine was going very fast and went into a ditch. I'm still wondering because there are no ditches around the ramps. Anyhow, since their equipment was yellow and ours were green, the jammer looked kinda goofy with one green outrigger and one yellow outrigger. Ah, the good ol' days. Later Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future206Pilot Posted January 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 Future206 started it!Naha! Actually, if I were to take flight training from the military, the AF would be my second choice, after the CG I saw that quote and just I had to laugh and repost it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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