rottenrobbie Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 (edited) I'm a victim of SSH and am thinking about continuing instruction on an extremly part time basis to finish my PPL. SSH always used R22's and that's what I'm used to but I've been flying with Bristow for a few flights and they seem to think that it's worth it to spend the extra time transitioning to the 300CBI. Is it worth it this close to my license or should I just drive the distance to a school with Robinsons? I need to do 2 more XC flights and a whole lot of brushing up on manuvers and I'm ready for my check. Edited July 4, 2008 by rottenrobbie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADRidge Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 (edited) I'd stick with the robbie if you can find a school near you, although from all accounts the 300 isn't a bad ship. I'd just hate to tack on the extra couple of hours. Edited July 4, 2008 by ADRidge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaIk2Kevin Posted July 5, 2008 Report Share Posted July 5, 2008 What costs more? Driving the extra distance or flying the extra hours?-Having the training in both ships is good but if your strapped for cash it might not be a reality at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rottenrobbie Posted July 5, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 5, 2008 I like the Schweizer but I have bad robbie habbits like trying to fly at 80-90 knot cruise speeds, forgetting that I don't have a governor and thinking that I'll be able to do a nice slow auto when the thing pretty much just falls out of the sky. None of those things are going to be good unless I have them solved by the time I have an FAA examiner sitting in the left seat. As far as cost I think it would be about even in gas for travel and staying local. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldy Posted July 5, 2008 Report Share Posted July 5, 2008 Just a guess here, but you will probably add about 10 hours of flight time on the 300 before you are back where you were at in the 22. So, if you dont mind the extra 3 grand then go for it. Whatever you do, just stick with it until the checkride is over. I know what you mean about wanting to fly faster but no one ever claimed that the 300 was fast ! Good luck, Goldy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AV8 Posted July 6, 2008 Report Share Posted July 6, 2008 I'm a victim of SSH and am thinking about continuing instruction on an extremly part time basis to finish my PPL. SSH always used R22's and that's what I'm used to but I've been flying with Bristow for a few flights and they seem to think that it's worth it to spend the extra time transitioning to the 300CBI. Is it worth it this close to my license or should I just drive the distance to a school with Robinsons? I need to do 2 more XC flights and a whole lot of brushing up on manuvers and I'm ready for my check.  Hey how do you like Bristow? I'm from northern california as well and was looking at schools in the area, Bristow was one of them I may consider because they have the 300c.  I am a military pilot with comm/inst and was looking at getting my CFI when I return home from over seas. The only thing is I'm a little strapped for cash with the family and all and was considering getting my CFI in the 300c because it looked like a cheaper route. The 300c doesn't require a 50 Saftey course like the robbie.  My question is how hard is it to find a CFI job in N Cal if your ony qualified in the 300C. Who else has 300c's? Also I have never flown a piston engine helo. Is there an hour requirement in a specific aircraft before you can teach in it? ( 300C or Robbie?) Or is it total time in rotary? Any advice or inseight would be greatly appreciated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DynamicallyUnstable Posted July 6, 2008 Report Share Posted July 6, 2008 I would suggest you finishing up your PPL in the r22 if you are still looking to make a career of this. The reason for this is that the r22 is the most common training AC out there and being able to eventually teach in it will be monument. After the PPL, got to Bristow and finish up the rest of your training. Bristow is a great school with great AC, MX, and instructors, not to mention a solid reputation. I went there when they were HAI and have nothing but good to say about them so I do highly recommend them from experience. Hope this helps.  BTW, tell Chuck and Larry that Sebastian Carter says hi! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam32 Posted July 6, 2008 Report Share Posted July 6, 2008 Hey how do you like Bristow? I'm from northern california as well and was looking at schools in the area, Bristow was one of them I may consider because they have the 300c.  I am a military pilot with comm/inst and was looking at getting my CFI when I return home from over seas. The only thing is I'm a little strapped for cash with the family and all and was considering getting my CFI in the 300c because it looked like a cheaper route. The 300c doesn't require a 50 Saftey course like the robbie.  My question is how hard is it to find a CFI job in N Cal if your ony qualified in the 300C. Who else has 300c's? Also I have never flown a piston engine helo. Is there an hour requirement in a specific aircraft before you can teach in it? ( 300C or Robbie?) Or is it total time in rotary? Any advice or inseight would be greatly appreciated R22's require 50hrs in type plus the safety course in order to instruct. Everything else only requires 15hrs in type, plus of course your CFI.  Total time usually depends of the insurance company requirements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikemv Posted July 6, 2008 Report Share Posted July 6, 2008 Adam32, can you verify where you got 15 hours in type? Part61.??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDHelicopterPilot Posted July 6, 2008 Report Share Posted July 6, 2008 I am pretty sure it was just 5 hours PIC time in the aircraft in which you are to instruct in. The safety course is not required by the FAR's to teach, although just about every company or insurance company requires it anyway. If you plan on teaching in the R-22 make sure you schedule your factory course right away. There is a long wait.  61.195 (f) Training received in a multiengine airplane, a helicopter, or a powered-lift. A flight instructor may not give training required for the issuance of a certificate or rating in a multiengine airplane, a helicopter, or a powered-lift unless that flight instructor has at least 5 flight hours of pilot-in-command time in the specific make and model of multiengine airplane, helicopter, or powered-lift, as appropriate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam32 Posted July 7, 2008 Report Share Posted July 7, 2008 Adam32, can you verify where you got 15 hours in type? Part61.??? Nope you are right. I was looking at 61.183 (j). But that is only to take a CFI checkride in the aircraft type. I always thought it was 5 hours before I read that though. But now I know I was right in the beginning with 5 hours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aclark79 Posted July 7, 2008 Report Share Posted July 7, 2008 although as an intersting factoid... you can instruct in a ship with no time in type if you are giving the instructing for a purpose other than a rating... like a flight review, in house training not for the purpose of a cert or rating etc etc. Not that it would be smart... but its legal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AV8 Posted July 7, 2008 Report Share Posted July 7, 2008 I am pretty sure it was just 5 hours PIC time in the aircraft in which you are to instruct in. The safety course is not required by the FAR's to teach, although just about every company or insurance company requires it anyway. If you plan on teaching in the R-22 make sure you schedule your factory course right away. There is a long wait. 61.195 (f) Training received in a multiengine airplane, a helicopter, or a powered-lift. A flight instructor may not give training required for the issuance of a certificate or rating in a multiengine airplane, a helicopter, or a powered-lift unless that flight instructor has at least 5 flight hours of pilot-in-command time in the specific make and model of multiengine airplane, helicopter, or powered-lift, as appropriate.  I already have Comm/Inst rating and over 600 hrs in turbine helo's. I've never flown a piston helo though. On the average about how much do think It would cost to get A CFI add on and take the Robbie safety course VS just getting my CFI add on in a 300C or enstrom? Are there many schools in Nor cal that fly the 300c other than Bristow? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captkirkyota Posted July 7, 2008 Report Share Posted July 7, 2008 I already have Comm/Inst rating and over 600 hrs in turbine helo's. I've never flown a piston helo though. On the average about how much do think It would cost to get A CFI add on and take the Robbie safety course VS just getting my CFI add on in a 300C or enstrom? Are there many schools in Nor cal that fly the 300c other than Bristow? You mean with the type of experience you've got, you can not find a place willing to hire you as is?????? Dang, that stinks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOIT 1 TIME Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 R22's require 50hrs in type plus the safety course in order to instruct. Everything else only requires 15hrs in type, plus of course your CFI.  Total time usually depends of the insurance company requirements. i believe 200 hrs in robinson are req for instructing in them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aclark79 Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 200 hours required in helicopters, of which 50 must be in the R22. It only really punishes people who were attempting to save money by training first in fixedwing and doing a rotorcraft add on for com/cfi. 25 hours of this R22 time may be counted towards the 50 hours in type requierment to teach in a R44. Other than that, the previously stated 5 hours for training pertaining to a certificate or rating, or no time for other maters... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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