Goldy Posted December 24, 2012 Posted December 24, 2012 (edited) Ok, since Counterrotate got the last one correctly, confirmed by IChris......I thought I would throw out one more. I'm in the R44 Clipper 2 ready to do some tours (Part 91). I've got my seat belt on, the left seat next to me is empty so the seat belt isn't buckled. I've got two passengers in back plus a 2 year old sitting on his moms lap. Both mom and dad have their seat belts on, but there's no seat belt for the 2 year old. Am I legal? Good to go? If not, why not? Edited December 24, 2012 by Goldy 1 Quote
Counterrotate Posted December 24, 2012 Posted December 24, 2012 Forward left seat belt MUST be buckled according to the POH! Limitations section 2-5. 1 Quote
rodrop Posted December 25, 2012 Posted December 25, 2012 I will agree with counterrotate..first part is the seat belt has to be buckled.2nd part, if child is 2 years old they can be held, in laptop of parent in an approved seat (something like that). Quote
heligirl03 Posted December 25, 2012 Posted December 25, 2012 No seatbelt requirement for lap child but he can not have reached his 2nd birfday or he needs his own seat. MERRY CHRISTMAS fellow rotators! 4 Quote
MileHi480B Posted December 25, 2012 Posted December 25, 2012 As a side note (question) ... if you had four adults in an R44 ... would a fifth person be legal if that passenger was under two-years old and was held by an adult passenger? 1 Quote
iChris Posted December 25, 2012 Posted December 25, 2012 (edited) As a side note (question) ... if you had four adults in an R44 ... would a fifth person be legal if that passenger was under two-years old and was held by an adult passenger? There’s no requirement for separate seats for each person under Part 91. So, the question is, what limitation in the R44 TC or RFM would prevent such operation? If you can’t find one, it’s legal, MERRY CHRISTMAS. Edited December 25, 2012 by iChris 1 Quote
nightsta1ker Posted December 25, 2012 Posted December 25, 2012 As a side note (question) ... if you had four adults in an R44 ... would a fifth person be legal if that passenger was under two-years old and was held by an adult passenger? As long as the parent and child (under two) do not exceed 300 lb maximum weight for that seat, it's perfectly legal. Quote
Counterrotate Posted December 25, 2012 Posted December 25, 2012 Personally, I think the regulation for lap children is stupid, and the FAA agrees (http://www.faa.gov/passengers/fly_children/) but they refuse to do anything about it because they are afraid that if families are forced to buy another ticket they will instead find another means of transportation. Quote
Goldy Posted December 26, 2012 Author Posted December 26, 2012 Forward left seat belt MUST be buckled according to the POH! Limitations section 2-5. Yepp, pretty much nailed that one too.....damn, gonna have to make them even more obscure! 1 Quote
Counterrotate Posted December 26, 2012 Posted December 26, 2012 Goldy, I have to ask, is this really little known stuff? Any R44 pilot worth their salt knows this stuff. I think I just happened to be the first to answer. 1 Quote
Goldy Posted December 27, 2012 Author Posted December 27, 2012 Goldy, I have to ask, is this really little known stuff? Any R44 pilot worth their salt knows this stuff. I think I just happened to be the first to answer. Oh, I think you would be surprised! I was going to put it up as a poll...but..didn't! Digging up the Lockheed ship, now that took at least a few Google hits! Quote
Counterrotate Posted December 27, 2012 Posted December 27, 2012 Oh, I think you would be surprised! I would hope not. Not only is it in the POH, it's just common sense. Anything in the cockpit that can dangle or flap and get caught or jammed on a control surface should be secured, including seat belts, especially if doors are going to be off. The R44 POH also states that if doors are going to be off that aft seat belts must be buckled as well because the seat cushion can float up and anything secured underneath can exit the aircraft, possibly ending up in the tail rotor. Quote
Nearly Retired Posted December 27, 2012 Posted December 27, 2012 I would hope not. Not only is it in the POH, it's just common sense. Common sense among helicopter pilots? BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. Seriously, you don't know many helicopter pilots, do you? Quote
Counterrotate Posted December 27, 2012 Posted December 27, 2012 Common sense among helicopter pilots? BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. Seriously, you don't know many helicopter pilots, do you? No, I do. But by no means do I know them all. We clearly run in different circles. Quote
Pohi Posted December 27, 2012 Posted December 27, 2012 Personally, I try not to run at all. Especially in circles, that just seems to be a complete waste of time. Quote
TCHone Posted December 29, 2012 Posted December 29, 2012 Common sense among helicopter pilots? BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. Seriously, you don't know many helicopter pilots, do you? I'm with Nearly Retired on this one. Quote
Counterrotate Posted December 30, 2012 Posted December 30, 2012 I'm with Nearly Retired on this one. Good for you. Quote
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