MAT Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dw...e.204650d7.html what happened there??? The accident is a riddle for me..... kind regards from Germany Mat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cptcoma Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 ...could be ground resonance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhotoFlyer Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 It says the main rotor fell off while taxiing. I haven't seen a report from the FAA or NTSB yet, so we will just have to wait and see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vertrefadmin Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 ********************************************************************************** Report created 1/23/2006 Record 1 ********************************************************************************** IDENTIFICATION Regis#: 142CF Make/Model: A109 Description: AGUSTA A109E Date: 01/19/2006 Time: 2117 Event Type: Accident Highest Injury: Minor Mid Air: N Missing: N Damage: Substantial LOCATION City: FORT WORTH State: TX Country: US DESCRIPTION N142CF, AN AGUSTA A109E ROTORCRAFT WHILE ON RAMP, THREW A BLADE, TEXAS JET RAMP, MEACHUM AIRPORT, FORT WORTH, TX INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0 # Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 1 Unk: # Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: WEATHER: KFTW 2253Z 17021G29KT 10SM CLR 21/08 A2986 OTHER DATA Departed: Dep Date: Dep. Time: Destination: Flt Plan: Wx Briefing: Last Radio Cont: Last Clearance: FAA FSDO: FORT WORTH, TX (SW19) Entry date: 01/23/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elvis Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Damn lucky he was on the ground when the rotor departed the A/C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Pig Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 I believe the bird just came out of maintenance.......I can see the scenario....mechanic holding a couple of extra bolts scratching his head as the helo is taxiing away....... Glad nobody was hurt. from the photo, it doesnt strike me as ground res though? There were some witness reports who said the helo was rolling out, power increased, and the rotor and transmission tore right out of the top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helo-Pilot Posted March 3, 2006 Report Share Posted March 3, 2006 I'll bet it's going to be ground resonance. I live fairly close to Meacham, and that day was really windy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HelliBoy Posted March 3, 2006 Report Share Posted March 3, 2006 A DPE once told me that ground res only happens to a/c with an odd number of blades. A109's have 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pokey Posted March 3, 2006 Report Share Posted March 3, 2006 A DPE once told me that ground res only happens to a/c with an odd number of blades. A109's have 4. A Designated Pilot Examiner?!! told you that?!! OMG ! Ground resonace can happen in ANY fully articulated rotor system (regardless of number of blades) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helo-Pilot Posted March 3, 2006 Report Share Posted March 3, 2006 If I remember correctly, he was ground taxiing. High cross winds, a little too hard on the brakes? Just a theory . . . Now, about Kennedy . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HelliBoy Posted March 3, 2006 Report Share Posted March 3, 2006 pokey,Yup. He did. Flew an A109 too. Told me I was wrong on pvt checkride(still passed) when I told him any fully articulated sys. I think he's dead now tho..(not from ground res.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flybull Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 Does anyone have a link for a good article for ground res? Thanks in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helo-Pilot Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 For a few pics , http://www.fwcvhpa.org/fw/ground.htm and here is an article, http://www.helis.com/howflies/groures.php http://www.chinook-helicopter.com/Fundamen..._Resonance.html Here is one more with a video. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HH60Pilot Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 I doubt that it is ground resonance as it is a wheeled helicopter. Yes, ground resonance will only occur in a fully articulated system, but the shock absorbtion in the landing gear should all but dampen out any resonance. I've got about 1,400 hours in fully articulated systems on wheeled helicopters and jammed on the brakes on more than one ocassion without any ill effect. I'm not saying that it couldn't happen, I just don't think that it is that likely the cause. Guess we'll have to wait and see what the NTSB says about it. Doug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helo-Pilot Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 http://www.ntsb.gov/NTSB/brief.asp?ev_id=2...130X00132&key=1 I found this just now. I have read that helo's with gear are actually more prone to GR because the gear tends to 'feed' the oscilations (SP?). For the record, I have no time in such an aircraft, so if anyone wants to clue me in, please feel free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HH60Pilot Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 I looked at the AugustaWestwind website and couldn't find any information specific to the rotor system. If it is fully articulated, a failure of a lead-lag dampner could have been the cause of the problem. Of course, all of this is purely speculation until the final NTSB report is released. Doug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pokey Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 In an articulated rotor the blades are free to flap, feather and drag (hunt), the hunting is the reason for some sort of lead/lag damper, how many hours ya have in one HH60? ( maybe we should ask the jury) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HH60Pilot Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 In an articulated rotor the blades are free to flap, feather and drag (hunt), the hunting is the reason for some sort of lead/lag damper, how many hours ya have in one HH60? ( maybe we should ask the jury) Hey Pokey...I'm not sure what you are getting at here, but I've got about 1,400 hours in fully articulated, wheeled helicopters. Doug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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