Ag UH-1 landing on a truck...wow.

[John90290]

 

Nice flare.

[67november]

that just doesn't look right, it should have gun pods not spray booms

 

oh yeah, nice flare for sure.

[james28]

quick fast and in a hurry. time is money for those guys.

[ChprPlt]

Crazy that guy doesnt mess around.

[montu]

Crazy that guy doesnt mess around.

 

Nope. Thats badass.

[Guest rookie101]

the funny thing about this is somewhere here on the board a couple of ag pilots are going "pfft, that ain't nothin'! I do that every time I go out!"

[Taylor04]

Yep that is a local ag company that I see in neighborhood all the time. They work up in Nor Cal around the ag company that I work for. Pretty sweet deal.

[Linc]

One question: Is it necessary?

[HelliBoy]

One question: Is it necessary?

 

In this case it doesnt look to be absolutely necessary, but I've seen cases where the truck landing is. Especially in mountainous areas with no suitable landing ares; the truck can drive up there and drastically reduce cycle times. Im sure I've seen some other video of it, I'll try to dig it up.

[Tenacious T]

I guess it's one of those situations that looks dangerous to a lot of us but he is within his comfort zone.

[Linc]

It's not that he's landing on a truck, it's how. I'm not trying to paint this pilot a certain way, it's just that this business (aviation) can bite you hard, but it will do it so much more often and easily if you are doing unnecessary things, even if you are operating within the limits.

 

Every flight, we measure what is cool and exciting against what is necessary. Sometimes they are the same. Each pilot's determination of the risk falls in a range between extreme caution and rolling the dice, but it is up to the pilot to determine where in that range his decisions fall.

 

In this case, is it saving time? How many times has he had to go around to avoid hitting or sliding off the truck before we see this video? How many seconds does it save, really? Is a minute or two per day really a cost savings? What is really necessary to conduct the flight. You, as the pilot, have to be the hardest on yourself before and during the flight, because if you've never been through or seen an accident investigation that is only concerned about finding an answer...it isn't pretty and even great pilots don't come out looking good.

 

Most people would've been awed with him landing to the truck. I'm sure he has reasons for approaching the way he does, maybe it is minimizing exposure time to the truck and personnel? Video doesn't share it with us, but we should always ask ourselves what decisions we might have to make if that was us in the cockpit choosing to do that maneuver that way or how we might do it if we wouldn't do it that way.

 

The truth of the adage holds, especially for helicopters: Never let the aircraft get somewhere that your mind didn't get there minutes before. Question other's decisisons, but more importantly, question your own. I've often found myself doing things that later I think, I'm glad nothing happened in that situation.

[Pogue]

Most people would've been awed with him landing to the truck. I'm sure he has reasons for approaching the way he does, maybe it is minimizing exposure time to the truck and personnel? Video doesn't share it with us, but we should always ask ourselves what decisions we might have to make if that was us in the cockpit choosing to do that maneuver that way or how we might do it if we wouldn't do it that way.

I'm speculating here, but it looks to me like he's done that maneuver about a million times. I think it's more likely compacency than show boating.

[fatnlazy]

It's not that he's landing on a truck, it's how. I'm not trying to paint this pilot a certain way, it's just that this business (aviation) can bite you hard, but it will do it so much more often and easily if you are doing unnecessary things, even if you are operating within the limits.

 

Every flight, we measure what is cool and exciting against what is necessary. Sometimes they are the same. Each pilot's determination of the risk falls in a range between extreme caution and rolling the dice, but it is up to the pilot to determine where in that range his decisions fall.

 

In this case, is it saving time? How many times has he had to go around to avoid hitting or sliding off the truck before we see this video? How many seconds does it save, really? Is a minute or two per day really a cost savings? What is really necessary to conduct the flight. You, as the pilot, have to be the hardest on yourself before and during the flight, because if you've never been through or seen an accident investigation that is only concerned about finding an answer...it isn't pretty and even great pilots don't come out looking good.

 

Most people would've been awed with him landing to the truck. I'm sure he has reasons for approaching the way he does, maybe it is minimizing exposure time to the truck and personnel? Video doesn't share it with us, but we should always ask ourselves what decisions we might have to make if that was us in the cockpit choosing to do that maneuver that way or how we might do it if we wouldn't do it that way.

 

The truth of the adage holds, especially for helicopters: Never let the aircraft get somewhere that your mind didn't get there minutes before. Question other's decisisons, but more importantly, question your own. I've often found myself doing things that later I think, I'm glad nothing happened in that situation.

 

I'm assuming that you are probably a very good pilot and I'm not bashing you in any way, I have a lot of respect for you w/most of your tread comments and simply the fact that you are serving your country, however I would just like to say that until you get into the other world of aviation ie: the civilian side of things you can't possibly understand the job. That what you see there is ag flying, thats how it's done. 133 and 137 work is like that, If you didn't like that video I'm sure you would have issues watching a few turns at a log landing. The fact is that it is very different flying and some of the most gratifying flying there is, but it does come w/some risks, like being in the HV envelope most of the time, but it pays well (some would say the best in the industry), it's a lot of fun and somebody has to do it.

[Linc]

fatnlazy,

 

No offense taken. Read beyond the fact that it is an Ag operation. I stated that there is most likely a very good reason for what and why. We don't get that through the video. Even what I do, even if I have a good reason for what and why, I will still question myself to make sure it is the right thing to do. Complacency kills, familiarity breeds the contempt that leads to the complacency.

 

I'm talking with not being satisfied with doing it because we've always done it. "Is it necessary?" isn't about picking apart the other guy, it is about questioning your personal justifications for the way you're flying.

 

We could go deep into the psychology of pilots, I have no wish to psychoanalyze anyone but myself, to make sure that I'm doing the right things. It's a learning point. I live in the avoid curve of the H/V diagram, myself. This is how I attempt to stay alive.

[Taylor04]

Like somebody else said it makes jobs go much faster. Where we are we spray alot of trees and and rice ground. You know how the dust can be from a huey so there is very little watering to be done on the ground. Also you can go out to orchard where the well pumps are, hook up to them for water and just spray forever until it is time to move to the next one. It looks pretty dangerous and know I dont do it but I see it my area all the time. We dont have a truck like that but all the other companies around have them. Much more to talk about this setup ask some questions I might know. Taylor

[The_Sandman]

My 2 cents:

 

1.) I am impressed with this guy's ability to land with such confidence and precision. It was impressive.

 

 

2.) Having said that, the first thing in my head (as a newbie pilot) was OMG! I SOOO don't know how long it takes for someome to get confident like that but wow, that looks like it could go bad quickly........I, right now, can't ever see myself flying like that.

 

3.) Even though there seems to be a debate here toward the end about wether this or not this pilot was reckless .....and between experienced pilots no less! This tells me that it's MORE THAN LIKELY not advised unless necessary and even then, great skill would be required.......but more that than, it is benifitial to hear the debate and I appreciate you guys posting your responses as to how necessary and/or dangerous or unnecessary this manuver was - gives good insight into how I SHOULD BE THINKING and the kind of mental habit(s) I SHOULD BE developing as I progress.....and I thank you......more please

 

 

S.

[mountain man]

Without sounding like the cocky rooky that i am, Id like to say that after watching the ag pilot on the truck video it seems that was some pretty precise manuevering. He may well have been showing off for the camera, but there was nothing but confidence in that flying. Maybe i dont know enough yet, to see that as being over the top, but someone has got to start making the first steps in order for us to reach the next step in the evolution of pilotage. Its like the 4 minute mile, nobody could do it for years, and then as soon as one guy did it everyone knew it was possible and a handfull of guys ran it that same year.

point being, it only takes a few examples to make it a reality

 

 

ok im done.

[BillyBob]

I always try to look at what the grey haired pilots do.

 

They have grey hair for a reason.

 

I am no angel either.... I shouldn't throw and rocks

 

edited fer sprellin

Edited February 19, 2007 by BillyBob

[Witch]

Would this be considered a pinnacle landing?

 

Later

[The_Sandman]

If a cow laughed, would milk come out her nose?

 

 

 

If you choke a smurf, what color does it turn?

 

 

 

 

S.

[Taylor04]

Here are some more pics of the same company and one other one I dont know who it is.

[500E]

If you choke a smurf, what color does it turn?

S.

 

You cant tell the difference Smurfs are blue to start with its all a question of perception, same as the thread

[The_Sandman]

You cant tell the difference Smurfs are blue to start with its all a question of perception, same as the thread

 

 

Let's assume smurfs have red blood. Then if a caucasion or pale person is choked, they turn red/blue because the red/blue blood shows through their skin.

 

Now if you were to take a blue or red colorant and mix with even more blue, you would get a deeper blue, MAYBE almost dark purple if the shades were not exactly on. However, I believe that if you mixed just red with blue, you would see a lighter purple I'm guessing.

 

I belive that smurfs would turn PURPLE or even dark BLUE when choked. It would depend on how thick and opaque their skin is.

 

- Sandman.

 

 

 

NOTE: No smurfs were harmed, in any way during this experiment.

 

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