Mike Murphy Posted November 21, 2007 Posted November 21, 2007 Looks like a little more than a hard landing..... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21915099/ Quote
ADRidge Posted November 21, 2007 Posted November 21, 2007 If that's a hard landing, I'd hate to see a crash. Sounds like the pilots are relatively okay, which is good. Quote
EC120AV8R Posted November 21, 2007 Posted November 21, 2007 Im not sure, but I think when you spread the gear and separate it from the aircraft, then spew helicopter about the runway environment, it qualifies as something mildly harsher than a "hard landing". Quote
K-38 Posted November 21, 2007 Posted November 21, 2007 Looks like a little more than a hard landing..... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21915099/" I have seen bad crashes later reported as "hard landings". Is this just a more P.R. friendly term used by some operators to not scare off clients/investors, or is there more to it? Quote
Goldy Posted November 22, 2007 Posted November 22, 2007 Roll the needles the wrong way??? Boy, you only make that mistake once ! Quote
brushfire21 Posted November 22, 2007 Posted November 22, 2007 Ouchy!!! I was at that same airfield a few weeks ago, Didn't even know SSH had a school there. Shows how much I know. Quote
rollthbns Posted November 22, 2007 Posted November 22, 2007 Ouchy!!! I was at that same airfield a few weeks ago, Didn't even know SSH had a school there. Shows how much I know. Silver State is located down at Gillespie, they just use Ramona for a practice area. We fight for space with them all the time. Glad the two guys are going to be ok. Quote
slick1537 Posted November 22, 2007 Posted November 22, 2007 So thats what the inside of the tail boom looks like... Quote
Guest rotorflyr84 Posted November 22, 2007 Posted November 22, 2007 " I have seen bad crashes later reported as "hard landings". Is this just a more P.R. friendly term used by some operators to not scare off clients/investors, or is there more to it? Well the Helicopter was owned by SSH. Your comment could very well hold some validity. But, "hard landing" or not, the picture speaks for itself. Glad they were able to walk away with minor injuries. Helicopters are replaceable, human lives aren't. Quote
hoverflyr Posted November 22, 2007 Posted November 22, 2007 Haven't seen the NTSB report yet, but reporting it as a "hard landing" keeps the schools reputation and record cleaner. Most students not being knowledgable will ask if you have had any crashes...and by reporting a "hard landing" technicaly does not constitute a crash. At least at some schools(SSH) Quote
brushfire21 Posted November 22, 2007 Posted November 22, 2007 Call it what you want, but a hard landing in my mind and I am sure others is 180o degrees from what I saw in the pic. When I first read about the misshap, I conjured up images of a bent boom, pancaked skids etc, but in no way did I envision the ship on its side. If this is a hard landing, then what do they call an A/C that actually balls up? Quote
helifool Posted November 22, 2007 Posted November 22, 2007 Call it what you want, but a hard landing in my mind and I am sure others is 180o degrees from what I saw in the pic. When I first read about the misshap, I conjured up images of a bent boom, pancaked skids etc, but in no way did I envision the ship on its side. If this is a hard landing, then what do they call an A/C that actually balls up? They call it a hard landing..... Quote
helonorth Posted November 23, 2007 Posted November 23, 2007 It depends on who you define as "they". If you define "they" as the news media, "they" called it ahard landing, or the result of one. If you define "they" as the NSTB or FAA, it is considered an accident under the parameters of NTSB 830. An aircraft that incurs "substantial damage" (read the reg.) hasbeen involved in an "accident". This R-22 certainly qualifies. Hard landing? Hard(ly). Quote
JDHelicopterPilot Posted November 23, 2007 Posted November 23, 2007 Agreed. It depends on who you ask. It will be considered by the FAA/NTSB as an accident or at least should be acording to the regulations as such. I used to fly into RNM all the time. The controlers there are some of the nicest people I have met in the tower. I looked at the picture first and though oh my no one made out. I was suprised to learn everyone was ok thank God. It is amazing what those helicopters can go through and still the passengers make it out. JD Quote
JDHelicopterPilot Posted November 24, 2007 Posted November 24, 2007 Still no word on how this happened? Hang tight. You'll see a prelim on the FAA site soon if it's not already up. Also, give it a week or two and there should be a prelim posted on the NTSB site. The FAA site just gives very basic info and offten times is not right. The prlim reports on the NTSB site are more in depth more reliable. JD Quote
FULL TOUCH DOWN Posted November 24, 2007 Posted November 24, 2007 (edited) Just my thoughts on the accident. It reminds me of the factory course video where the pilot hit hard on the aft section of the land gear and sheared off the tail boom by the blades. But in these case the helicopter some how got into a roll and snapped some of the hard ware on the landing gear pulling it off from one side. In all the hard landing I have seen the landing gear was flattened from front to back but looking at the pic the front section of the landing gear seems to be in its uniformed shape not bent. The aft section doesn't appear to be all that bad either. Remember these are just my thoughts on it. Edited November 24, 2007 by FULL TOUCH DOWN Quote
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