Logging PIC as student pilot

[pilot#476398]

So you've seen the light,...partially!

 

For what its worth, as someone who has quite a bit of SOLO time, I can tell you; employers don't give a sh*t about SOLO time! I took that colum out of my logbook long ago!

[Jaybee]

So you've seen the light,...partially!

 

For what its worth, as someone who has quite a bit of SOLO time, I can tell you; employers don't give a sh*t about SOLO time! I took that colum out of my logbook long ago!

 

I wouldn't take any time out, you earned it and it is who you are. I put 3 hours of 206 time on my resume. The hours of flight are the last thing you'll see on my resume. My resume starts with RELEVANT EXPERIENCE which highlights my customer service experience, retail sales experience, etc.. Solo time is as relevant as any other time and quite frankly the term "meat servo" is quite apt. Highlight the skills you have that every other pilot may not have, everyone has hours of experience.

 

PS - At my last interview the 3 hours of Longranger time on my resume sparked at 15 minute conversation and I got the job.

[Flying Pig]

I don't even list my 10hrs of Robbie time. That seems to spark conversations that lead to jobs too

[Pohi]

It's just like sleeping with your sister, flying pig. Just because you don't tell people about it, doesn't mean it didn't happen.

 

Just log the Robbie hours and embrace the experience :-)

[pilot#476398]

 

I wouldn't take any time out, you earned it and it is who you are. I put 3 hours of 206 time on my resume. The hours of flight are the last thing you'll see on my resume. My resume starts with RELEVANT EXPERIENCE which highlights my customer service experience, retail sales experience, etc.. Solo time is as relevant as any other time and quite frankly the term "meat servo" is quite apt. Highlight the skills you have that every other pilot may not have, everyone has hours of experience.

 

PS - At my last interview the 3 hours of Longranger time on my resume sparked at 15 minute conversation and I got the job.

 

It has been my experience thus far that employers look upon my SOLO hours, or "time built not as a CFI", as they seem to view it, as time developing "bad habits" and "hot dogging"! "I'll never hire a non-CFI again" has rung through my ears too often! So a SOLO colum is not in my book, nor on my resume!

 

P.S. My 10 hours in a Jet Ranger have never sparked a conversation.

[Flying Pig]

It's just like sleeping with your sister, flying pig. Just because you don't tell people about it, doesn't mean it didn't happen.

 

Just log the Robbie hours and embrace the experience :-)

My therapist said I needed to let it go.

[Jaybee]

 

It has been my experience thus far that employers look upon my SOLO hours, or "time built not as a CFI", as they seem to view it, as time developing "bad habits" and "hot dogging"! "I'll never hire a non-CFI again" has rung through my ears too often! So a SOLO colum is not in my book, nor on my resume!

 

P.S. My 10 hours in a Jet Ranger have never sparked a conversation.

 

I don't know what to tell you. You seem like a like-able guy/gal on this website.

 

In other instances, on this website I've tried to share experiences, ideas and techniques that have worked for me and my friends. In every response you seem to have some witty excuse - "you're lucky", this guy doesn't hire "hot dogs", waiting till spring, etc., etc.,

 

I could probably coach you through interview questions and review your resume, but you seem to not want to be coached? It also seems to not be working out for you, based on what you say.

 

When someone tries to help you and you metaphorically spit in their face, they tend to not want to help you. Seems to me when asked about solo time - it would be a great time to sell yourself and talk about how you just don't feel you would be a good CFI, etc, etc, and how the experience you've gained by not making laps around the pattern make you a better choice.

 

Sincerely, best of luck to you - however you choose to proceed.

[pilot#476398]

Guess I'll just stop sharing my experiences.

[Flying Pig]

Pilot guy….. You aren't a CFI?

[pilot#476398]

Nope I'm just a dude building time slowely towards a retirement career. Although my real dream is to buy a helicycle and just fly for fun.

[Flying Pig]

Oh ok. So you don't plan on actually working as a pilot? That puts things in better perspective. People are addressing you like you are trying to break into the industry when your goal is to be a recreational pilot.

[CharyouTree]

 

I wouldn't take any time out, you earned it and it is who you are. I put 3 hours of 206 time on my resume. The hours of flight are the last thing you'll see on my resume. My resume starts with RELEVANT EXPERIENCE which highlights my customer service experience, retail sales experience, etc.. Solo time is as relevant as any other time and quite frankly the term "meat servo" is quite apt. Highlight the skills you have that every other pilot may not have, everyone has hours of experience.

 

I would caution against that in the future. The other day, Lyn specifically spoke about that. When you're applying for a position as a pilot, your "RELEVANT EXPERIENCE" IS your flight time. On Lyn's (rather impressive, I might say) resume, hours come second only to name, and qualifications; ie ATP, Commercial, CFII, whatever. If you make the prospective employer have to search for the first discriminator (do you have the hours) in his (maybe) 10 second look of your, and everyone else's resume, you're not doing yourself any favors.

 

Additionally, no, not everyone has hours of experience, otherwise job postings wouldn't have to say "Must have 3,000 hours total time, 1500 Pilot-in-command, 100 night" etc, etc. I would actually posit that more people have customer service, or retail experience than have appropriate number of hours.

 

You can agree, or disagree, and I'll not argue the point with you. But for my money, I'm taking the advice of the person who's been on the other side of the table, deciding whom to hire.

[Jaybee]

Charyou Tree - as with anything there is more than one way to skin a cat. I did it Lyn's way and did not get results. Changed it to the way I described based on a friend's recommendation and got results. *shrug*

 

Pilot# - I'm not sure why you threw up a defensive wall ? I didn't ever say you experiences weren't real. If you have the same kind of defensive reaction during an interview maybe that's why you are striking out ? Seriously was just trying to help, so take it how you will I guess.

[Spike]

During one of the Expo presentations, it was determined none of the experienced folks on the panel ever got a job from a resume…….. And, bluntly stated, if you’re doing a mass-mailing campaign, you’re wasting your time……..

[pilot#476398]

Oh ok. So you don't plan on actually working as a pilot? That puts things in better perspective. People are addressing you like you are trying to break into the industry when your goal is to be a recreational pilot.

 

It would be cool to spend a summer flying tourists around in a 44, but no, I'm not really trying to "break into the industry". Just maybe retire into the entry level side of it. Of course not being a CFI makes the dream of owning a helicycle a lot more realistic than ever working as a pilot!

[Jaybee]

 

It would be cool to spend a summer flying tourists around in a 44, but no, I'm not really trying to "break into the industry". Just maybe retire into the entry level side of it. Of course not being a CFI makes the dream of owning a helicycle a lot more realistic than ever working as a pilot!

 

My mistake, I thought you were based on your talk of interviews.

[pilot#476398]

 

My mistake, I thought you were based on your talk of interviews.

 

I have based many of my posts on interview experiences. However I didn't think I was putting out a "help me" vibe, and thus have found your recent posts rather confusing?

[Spike]

Oh ok. So you don't plan on actually working as a pilot? That puts things in better perspective. People are addressing you like you are trying to break into the industry when your goal is to be a recreational pilot.

 

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[aclark79]

During one of the Expo presentations, it was determined none of the experienced folks on the panel ever got a job from a resume…….. And, bluntly stated, if you’re doing a mass-mailing campaign, you’re wasting your time……..

 

 

This has certainly been my experiance. Every job I've gotten has been initially based on networking and while a resume was required to be turned in, the networking got me the interview and the interview got me the job.

[C of G]

During one of the Expo presentations, it was determined none of the experienced folks on the panel ever got a job from a resume…….. And, bluntly stated, if you’re doing a mass-mailing campaign, you’re wasting your time……..

 

How many of those guys started looking for a job at 200 hours?

 

It's also very situationally dependant. Spike, I am sure you know at the moment there are entry level positions where 1000 hour guys are inline sandwiched between 4000+ hour guys.

 

I'd say for the time logging, and I recognize this has been a thread hack, put every .1 on your log book for IFR and night and anything you can legally log, but keep the hours on the single digits off the resume unless it is extraordinary experience, like "Landings above 20,000'". My $.02.

[Spike]

 

How many of those guys started looking for a job at 200 hours?

 

 

All of them…… There isn’t a single human being on planet earth that is born with flight hours. Or, better said, we all start at zero…… Plus, the operative word in the paragraph is “ever”……..

[C of G]

 

All of them…… There isn’t a single human being on planet earth that is born with flight hours. Or, better said, we all start at zero…… Plus, the operative word in the paragraph is “ever”……..

 

Of course we all went through the experience of flying our hours, my comment was more directed towards if they were military guys that had a job waiting on them out of flight school or if they hat to hit the pavement at 200 and start looking for employment.

 

Maybe I read that worng, I thought it said they didn't use a resume. I see that what is being said is that they all knew someone that helped get them in the door. My experience differs. I'd say the program I'm at has had quite a few "cold call" pilots that definitely had resumes that got them the job. My other $.02 is that the networking thing is double edged. Some people use the wrong name when trying to help establish a connection. Meeting a nice guy or helpful guy doesn't qualify many for pilot positions. I've had quite a few people this week say "Oh.... I'm a friend of so-and-so's" that despite my poker face, didn't get them in the door. Quite the opposite. It helps to be a discerning judge of character.

[Spike]

 

Of course we all went through the experience of flying our hours, my comment was more directed towards if they were military guys that had a job waiting on them out of flight school or if they hat to hit the pavement at 200 and start looking for employment.

 

Maybe I read that worng, I thought it said they didn't use a resume. I see that what is being said is that they all knew someone that helped get them in the door. My experience differs. I'd say the program I'm at has had quite a few "cold call" pilots that definitely had resumes that got them the job. My other $.02 is that the networking thing is double edged. Some people use the wrong name when trying to help establish a connection. Meeting a nice guy or helpful guy doesn't qualify many for pilot positions. I've had quite a few people this week say "Oh.... I'm a friend of so-and-so's" that despite my poker face, didn't get them in the door. Quite the opposite. It helps to be a discerning judge of character.

 

None of the panel members were ex-military. They all were civilian trained and worked their way up through the ranks over several years. Specifically, the discussion was generated by an audience member who asked a question regarding the importance of a resume and if there was any other suggestions the panel could provide in order to better posture one’s self for employment….. The reply was as stated….

[pilot#476398]

Sending in a resume has gotten me almost a dozen phone interviews, three of which led to a face to face. One "cold call" resume became a networking contact (who I eventually met in person). One thing he's told me is to keep sending in an updated resume every so often to keep in touch.

[Spike]

Sending in a resume has gotten me almost a dozen phone interviews, three of which led to a face to face. One "cold call" resume became a networking contact (who I eventually met in person). One thing he's told me is to keep sending in an updated resume every so often to keep in touch.

 

So therefore, you have not gained employment from a resume (which, from your previous post, you apparently have no desire to get in the first place)……..

 

“Almost” only counts in hand grenades and horseshoes…..