Cuts are DEEP for us WOFT applicants for FY2015! Check it out

[apacheguy]

Think it will get that bad?

 

Yikes

Promotion boards are getting very tight. Nobody knows where it will end yet, congress has yet to tell the army what our end strength will be, the last numbers thrown around were 440,000 active duty and we're at 530,000 now.

 

Your OERs will make or break you on boards. You need the above center of mass block checks with senior rater comments enumerating that you're #1 out of x or top 10% or such. Having a degree helps or gaining progress every year towards a degree shows initiative.

 

Officer politics suck, no way to sugar coat it. Retirement can't come soon enough.

[Joe_P148]

I don't really buy the doom and gloom anymore I work my heart out and if I'm not meant to be in the Army then clearly it wasn't meant to be. Luckily I got mine so I won't have to worry about another board for about 5 years. If you have a bachelors and Mabye a masters then you'll be able to get a job on the outside. There aren't any former Army pilots pan handling on the streets. quit the doom and gloom and just do the best you can!

[Flim]

Well, until the crap hits the fan again and then it will all change... The Army will be rushing to hire and the cycle will start all over.

[brackac]

I don't really buy the doom and gloom anymore I work my heart out and if I'm not meant to be in the Army then clearly it wasn't meant to be. Luckily I got mine so I won't have to worry about another board for about 5 years.

"You got yours" has a lot to do with your attitude. Go tell guys with 12 - 15 years in not to worry about it.

[Joe_P148]

What makes you think I don't have 12-15 years? Chill.. Like I said do the best you can. Life exists outside the Army.

[brackac]

What makes you think I don't have 12-15 years? Chill.. Like I said do the best you can. Life exists outside the Army.

 

If you do, and with a recent promotion, you are good through 18, which means retirement. I've been in since 92, so I am not in that situation, but I fully understand the stress a lot are feeling.

 

In regards to life outside of the military, I've also ventured into that job market in the early 2000's, and it's not all roses and puppy dogs. Not everyone wants to get out and fly for an airline after their military career. A retirement check gives a lot of people the luxury to be more selective or more adventurous with their post-military careers.

[apacheguy]

Some food for thought...

 

FY13 PROMOTION BOARD ANALYSIS:
CW5 152H

- Overall promotion rate for in and above the zone was approximately 9.5%
(0% PZ, 8.6% AZ). 35 aviators both in and above the zone were considered
for promotion, 3 were selected.

- With regards to PME, NO ONE was selected with only WOAC and 30% of those
in and above the zone that had completed WOSSC were selected. WOSC alone
did not ensure promotion as only 0% of those that had completed only WOSC
were selected.

- 3 AZ officers were selected, 2 SIP (152HH) and 1 MTP/ME (152HL). No CW5
Candidates were offered SELCON.

- 2 of 35 eligible officers selected in and above the zone had at least a
BA/BS degree. The remaining selected has a Masters Degree.

-The number of deployments varied from 1 to 5 for officers selected. All
considered had a deployment.

-3 of those selected in and above the zone had been awarded a BSM.

CW4 152H

- Overall promotion rate for in and above the zone was approximately 40%
(73.1% PZ, 4.2% AZ). 50 aviators both in and above the zone were considered
for promotion, 20 were selected.

- With regards to PME, no officers were selected for promotion with
only WOBC. Of the rest, 6 were WOAC graduates and 14 were WOSC graduates. Of
those considered that were only WOAC graduates, 12% were selected for
promotion. Of those considered that were WOSC graduates, 28% were selected
for promotion. Of those considered that were only WOBC graduates, none
selected.

- AZ selections were at 4.2%. Of those selected IP’s and MTPs were selected
at a higher rate than the other tracks. 4% of those eligible for SELCON were
offered.

- Of the 20 selected for promotion, 19 had at least an Associate or Bachelor
Degree; the remaining 1 had Masters Degree. 32% of those officers with at
least an AA degree were selected for promotion.

- The number of deployments varied from 2 to 5 for those considered. Of
those selected the number of deployments varied from 2 to 5 with no major
correlation to the number of deployments and selection rate, however, no one
selected had less than 2 deployments.

- 15 of the 20 selected (30%) had been awarded at least an MSM, BSM, DFC.
10% of those selected had an AM/AMV as their highest award.

CW3 152H

- Overall promotion rate for in and above the zone was approximately 64.3%
(67.9% PZ, 22.2% AZ). 115 aviators both in and above the zone were
considered for promotion, 74 were selected.

- With regards to PME, 55% of those considered who had completed WOAC were
selected. 11.5% of those considered that had only been to WOBC were
selected.

- 22.2% of those considered above the zone were selected for promotion. No
analysis can be drawn from their PME, track, but all that were selected AZ
had either an AA, BA, or BS degree.

- Tracked officers were selected at a higher rate in the primary zone than
untracked. Only 34% of untracked aviators were selected compared to
approximately 76% tracked officers.

- 62% of those officers with at least an Associate Degree were selected, in
contrast to NONE of those without a degree was selected.

- 75% of the officers which had previously been awarded a BSM, BSM or DFC
were selected. No data can be derived among the remaining awards.

[akscott60]

So, in summary for CW3:

 

Degree (AA, BS, etc)

WOAC

Tracked

 

Then hope your OERs are good.

[Fliesbecauseracecar]

Some more food for thought. The above is not completely accurate. Probably close.

 

I was selected for W4. Air Medal (with V), highest award. No degree. WOAC, but no WOSC. 4 deployments with a total of 54 months deployed.

 

However I did have well written, enumerated top block OERs. One OER was blocked at center mass, but was from a senior rater with an immature profile and had a top block write up. Next OER from the same senior rater was a top block.

 

None of this is bragging. I am not the greatest pilot to every live, nor am I the best officer the army has ever seen. I do show up to work on time, work what I have to in order to meet the commander's intent. I am never afraid to tell the boss that something isn't working, or isn't right, but when I do, I always do my best to have a good reason why, and have more than one option that either meets the goal, or comes closer than the current plan. Own your mistakes, most of us make plenty.

 

Bottom line is that in my humble opinion, your OER and work ethic are the biggest discriminators. Everything else is a tie breaker.

[apacheguy]

Concur, OER's are the biggest part of the game.

 

I snatched that from the AV Branch website so if it's inaccurate blame HRC. Wouldn't be the first non-truth to come out of that building.

[brackac]

Some food for thought...

 

FY13 PROMOTION BOARD ANALYSIS:

CW5 152H

 

- Overall promotion rate for in and above the zone was approximately 9.5%

(0% PZ, 8.6% AZ). 35 aviators both in and above the zone were considered

for promotion, 3 were selected.

 

- With regards to PME, NO ONE was selected with only WOAC and 30% of those

in and above the zone that had completed WOSSC were selected. WOSC alone

did not ensure promotion as only 0% of those that had completed only WOSC

were selected.

 

- 3 AZ officers were selected, 2 SIP (152HH) and 1 MTP/ME (152HL). No CW5

Candidates were offered SELCON.

 

- 2 of 35 eligible officers selected in and above the zone had at least a

BA/BS degree. The remaining selected has a Masters Degree.

 

-The number of deployments varied from 1 to 5 for officers selected. All

considered had a deployment.

 

-3 of those selected in and above the zone had been awarded a BSM.

 

CW4 152H

 

- Overall promotion rate for in and above the zone was approximately 40%

(73.1% PZ, 4.2% AZ). 50 aviators both in and above the zone were considered

for promotion, 20 were selected.

 

- With regards to PME, no officers were selected for promotion with

only WOBC. Of the rest, 6 were WOAC graduates and 14 were WOSC graduates. Of

those considered that were only WOAC graduates, 12% were selected for

promotion. Of those considered that were WOSC graduates, 28% were selected

for promotion. Of those considered that were only WOBC graduates, none

selected.

 

- AZ selections were at 4.2%. Of those selected IP’s and MTPs were selected

at a higher rate than the other tracks. 4% of those eligible for SELCON were

offered.

 

- Of the 20 selected for promotion, 19 had at least an Associate or Bachelor

Degree; the remaining 1 had Masters Degree. 32% of those officers with at

least an AA degree were selected for promotion.

 

- The number of deployments varied from 2 to 5 for those considered. Of

those selected the number of deployments varied from 2 to 5 with no major

correlation to the number of deployments and selection rate, however, no one

selected had less than 2 deployments.

 

- 15 of the 20 selected (30%) had been awarded at least an MSM, BSM, DFC.

10% of those selected had an AM/AMV as their highest award.

 

CW3 152H

 

- Overall promotion rate for in and above the zone was approximately 64.3%

(67.9% PZ, 22.2% AZ). 115 aviators both in and above the zone were

considered for promotion, 74 were selected.

 

- With regards to PME, 55% of those considered who had completed WOAC were

selected. 11.5% of those considered that had only been to WOBC were

selected.

 

- 22.2% of those considered above the zone were selected for promotion. No

analysis can be drawn from their PME, track, but all that were selected AZ

had either an AA, BA, or BS degree.

 

- Tracked officers were selected at a higher rate in the primary zone than

untracked. Only 34% of untracked aviators were selected compared to

approximately 76% tracked officers.

 

- 62% of those officers with at least an Associate Degree were selected, in

contrast to NONE of those without a degree was selected.

 

- 75% of the officers which had previously been awarded a BSM, BSM or DFC

were selected. No data can be derived among the remaining awards.

 

 

 

Yeah, I have been on Les' page a few times. He was my SP prior to moving up to HRC. Anyways, his numbers don't work. This little tidbit isn't accurate. A degree wasn't a prerequisite of promotion, and multiple individuals without any college education were promoted.

 

62% of those officers with at least an Associate Degree were selected, in

contrast to NONE of those without a degree was selected.

[Joe_P148]

If your looking for perquisites on getting promoted your branch manager is going to give you guide lines not exactly what the board is looking for.

 

It changes every year. One thing the board results don't report is who had top block OERs and who had mediocre OERs. If you are an asset to your command And have TOP BLOCK / ACOM OERs it won't matter what pre requisites you have. All that other crap is just discriminators.

[cowgoesmoo]

Its a big PDF file with the 2015 budget and actual numbers for pilots being trained.

 

Google this....... army budget aviation seats fy 2015

 

its the 5th link down PDF (OMA) Vol 1- US ARMY

 

READ pages 330-348

 

Check it out, let me know what you think

 

this is some crazy stuff.

from fy14 to 15

 

budget cuts 1016876 -> 890070 12.47% decrease

undergraduate personnel cuts

-active 3684 -> 3230 12.3% decrease

-reserve 14% decrease

-national guard 31% decrease

workload 25% decrease - average number of students at any given day.

advanced flight training #1 164->104 36% decrease

advanced flight training #2 674->479 28% decrease

advanced flight training (other) 838 -> 584 30% decrease

overall flying hours 245 -> 192 21% decrease

-undergraduate fliyng hours 201 -> 150 25% decrease

-graduate flying hours 44->42 4.5% decrease

active duty end-strength change 945 -> 893 5.5% decrease.

[akscott60]

That is a hell of a cut....

[adnoh61B]

So I just went through the FY13 and FY14 MILPER messages and got the numbers for what seem to be the Active Components:

 

FY13: 294 Selected

 

Jan 13 - 74

Mar 13 - CANCELLED for 153A (assuming applicants were pushed to May board)

May 13 - 72

July 13 - 74

Sept 13 - 74 (EDIT*** this was the board to be on. 74 FQ-S, 10 FQ-NS, 5 NS-NC)

 

FY14: 228 Selected

 

Nov 13 - 61

Jan 14 - 56

May 14 - 57

July 14 - 54

 

FY15????????

[USCav19D]

Cuts aren't too deep 'til the program is closed. Even then I'll just reenlist as a 15-series guy and start applying in-service. If flying is what you want to do, then make yourself as competitive as possible and drop a packet.

 

Man, if I had a dollar for every private who told me he was going to SFAS or do a WOCS packet or some such tomf*ckery, I'd be able to hire my own private sergeant major just to make me coffee in the morning.