A Pro? How Do You Know?

[avbug]

You're asking me if I encounter good posts from you much ? No, I don't. But when I do I try to commend them, like I did with yours.

Are you playing some kind of game with what is or isn't there?

I'll make it simpler for you.

I wish you would have added that a professional is honest ie that he doesn't lie about his colleagues.

I wish you would have added that a professional is apologetic when caught lying about a contemporary.

I wish you would have added that a professional pilot is an edifier, who looks for ways to build other pilots up, instead of taking every opportunity to tear them down, berate, and be derogatory.

Now, have I played your game to your standards ?

 

I set no standards. You contribute little, and follow some posters, myself in particular, around the board doing nothing but sniping. What you've done here is just that; squarely set out an attack and offered nothing regarding professional attributes. Perhaps you've nothing to offer, as this would seem to be the case.

 

I really don't give a damn what you wish I'd said. If you want something said, say it yourself. Put words in your own mouth, if you're able. I'm quite capable of speaking for myself, thanks.

[Spike]

Okay, far too may generalizations. Now I’m kicking myself for even mentioning the word “Pro”….

 

The new guy arrives with zero credibility. Specifically, with today’s corporate culture, just because the organization hires him, it doesn’t mean he brings anything to the table…..

 

What I expect from a pro is a level of knowledge, skill and judgment worthy of the highest level of trust as a commercial pilot. That is, you should be equal to or greater in these qualities than the companies lowest common denominator, meaning; no excuses.

 

To wit:

 

Letting your ego control your mouth is negative. That is, knowing when you should speak up and when you should keep your mouth shut is crucial. IF you can’t decipher between the two, then you’ll no doubt have enemies…….

 

Just because you look like a pro and act like a pro doesn’t mean you are a pro. In short, the established folks in the room have seen many, like you, come-n-go. Failure to blend is a failure of your own.....

 

When at the controls, an egg, placed anywhere, should go undisturbed…...

 

When at the controls, a complaint, of any kind, is a failure of yours....

 

A PAX barfing is a double failure……

 

Again, at the controls, you should be one with the machine. That is, feeling what is happening at a given moment is vital to the next moment. Failure to understand this is a failure altogether; -period and, no book, manual or instructor will teach you this…..

 

DO NOT make anyone ask…… What are you doing? Worse yet, in conjunction with, are you ready to go?

 

Make no mistake; the mechanic takes care of the machine which, in-turn takes care of you. Telling the mechanic he needs to change the office light bulb is like telling a chef who is cooking your food to clean the bathroom. When this sort of thing happens, you may find yourself looking at just as many angry pilots as mechanics.....

 

Maybe I should’ve titled the thread “What are the qualities of a poser”? Failing to articulate maybe?......

Edited July 6, 2014 by Spike

[Francis Meyrick]

@ Spike

 

while I have sympathy for a lot of what you are saying, I struggle to digest this one...

 

the established folks in the room

Um. And who might they be?

[JohnLeePettimore]

Having mainly experience as a passenger, I see things a little different. I see the pro as being the pilot who can maintain his composure no matter what is going on. The guy who flies his ship based on his ability, not the expectations of others, the pilot that can say no when the mission requires a yes. And that is just the flying part. On the ground I see the pro as being the guy who takes the time to make sure that everything is in order to keep the next flight a safe one. The pilot that works with his mechanic to make sure his ship is in order without a condesccending attitude. The guy who takes the time to learn about the mechanics of cause and effect annd can communicate consistantly with his mechanic keep both on the same page. A guy who can do his job and take his ego out of the equation. When I was a kid, I watched the pilots. I could always tell the pilots that would last and those that wouldn't. The ones that wouldn't were the ones that would argue with their mechanics. The ones that couldn't learn anything because they already knew everything. Just my two cents.

[aeroscout]

 

I set no standards. You contribute little, and follow some posters, myself in particular, around the board doing nothing but sniping. What you've done here is just that; squarely set out an attack and offered nothing regarding professional attributes. Perhaps you've nothing to offer, as this would seem to be the case.

 

I really don't give a damn what you wish I'd said. If you want something said, say it yourself. Put words in your own mouth, if you're able. I'm quite capable of speaking for myself, thanks.

In addition to being unprofessional in the area of honesty, and being contrite for your lack of it, you are also very unprofessional in the area of humility.

You just can't admit you are wrong.

I am glad now that I know this about you as a fact.

Now I will know as anyone reading this will know exactly how to treat you.

As for what I write and what I contribute to this forum...

I will let all my posts speak for themselves.

Good day to you sir!

[eagle5]

On second thought as long as he doesn't get me killed he's a pro.

Edited July 6, 2014 by eagle5

[Spike]

The folks in the room are you and your peers…..

 

While I’m all for challenging the status-quo, for a new guy arriving into the new environment, treating the group (as defined in the above first sentence) as “rookies” is not wise simply because these are the folks who can help you the most. And, to arrive and think “your all that” where you won’t need any help is, -well, dumb……

 

As far as barfing goes, it’s already been said, smooth control touch is a indicator of a pro… Not everyone understands this or has the ability to apply it….. If the machine pitches and rolls through the air, you’re eventually going to have sick passengers. And, if your passengers complain you are going the wrong direction, then what more needs to be said………..

Edited July 6, 2014 by Spike

[avbug]

In addition to being unprofessional in the area of honesty, and being contrite for your lack of it, you are also very unprofessional in the area of humility.

You just can't admit you are wrong.

I am glad now that I know this about you as a fact.

Now I will know as anyone reading this will know exactly how to treat you.

As for what I write and what I contribute to this forum...

I will let all my posts speak for themselves.

Good day to you sir!

 

You've still nothing to contribute, then. Not to the topic at hand, and not even in general.

 

Every thread turns into personal attacks by you and a few others. Very adult. Not remotely professional, but very adult, we see.

 

Unimpressive.

[Guest pokey]

 

 

 

Every thread turns into personal attacks by you .

 

Unimpressive.

 

you got that part right bug, you are the one who gets attacked and attacts ,. why?

 

any your anonymous reputation and bragging does really impress us all

 

are we all impressed yet?

 

yes

 

no

 

i vote no

[avbug]

 

you got that part right bug, you are the one who gets attacked and attacts ,. why?

 

any your anonymous reputation and bragging does really impress us all

 

are we all impressed yet?

 

yes

 

no

 

i vote no

 

Another failure to contribute to the thread topic, yet consistent with the poster. When one has nothing intelligent to offer, one makes personal attacks, as you generally do. Have you anything to say about the traits of a professional, which contributes to the thread.

 

Elevate yourself above that of a 14 year old, if you can.

[helonorth]

This pretty much sums up the helicopter industry!

[Hand_Grenade_Pilot]

A true professional has humility, and this applies to everyone; new and old pilots alike. Regardless of experience, an arrogant pilot is a dead man (or woman). And unfortunately they seldom take just their own life.

[Wally]

I think some people confuse positive personality traits with professionalism. Not at all the same thing. I have known some insufferable, arrogant braggarts who were extremely competent and trustworthy (in this one aspect of their lives) aviators.

[Hand_Grenade_Pilot]

Professionalism, in it's most basic definition, is simply one's skill and ability to do things efficiently. You could be a total jackass and be a good stick, who knows the aircraft and the operation inside and out and according to the textbook definition be a 'professional'.

 

However, in my own opinion, the textbook definition isn't enough. To me, 'professionalism' encompasses the entire package; work ethic, demeanor, the ability to work with others, etc.

 

Arrogance can lead to poor decision making. An inability to work with others creates hostility in the work place and leads to a counter-productive atmosphere. A person with a really shitty attitude kills morale (also counter-productive). A true professional isn't a sub-par employee with awesome abilities.

 

Just my opinion though.

[cburg]

I didn't know this about Kris:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kris_Kristofferson

He joined the U.S. Army and achieved the rank of Captain. He became a helicopter pilot after receiving flight training at Fort Rucker, Alabama. He also completed Ranger School. During the early 1960s, he was stationed in West Germany as a member of the 8th Infantry Division.[10] It was during this time that he resumed his music career and formed a band. In 1965, when his tour of duty ended, Kristofferson was given an assignment to teach English Literature at West Point.

He also worked as a commercial helicopter pilot at that time for a south Louisiana firm called Petroleum Helicopters International (PHI), based in Lafayette, Louisiana. Kristofferson recalled of his days as a pilot, "That was about the last three years before I started performing, before people started cutting my songs ... I would work a week down here [in south Louisiana] for PHI, sitting on an oil platform and flying helicopters. Then I'd go back to Nashville at the end of the week and spend a week up there trying to pitch the songs, then come back down and write songs for another week ... I can remember 'Help Me Make It Through the Night' I wrote sitting on top of an oil platform. I wrote 'Bobby McGee' down here, and a lot of them [in south Louisiana]."

[eagle5]

He's a cool actor too!

[nightsta1ker]

Examples of pro pilot behavior that I have seen:

 

Capable and safe. Will get the job done, safely, or will call it a day when both cannot be done simultaneously. This requires both a high level of skill and experience and good decision-making ability.

 

Motivated. Shows up early. Knows what to do and doesn't need to be asked or supervised.

 

Honest. Willing to admit limits, shortcomings and mistakes. Holds themselves accountable for their actions.

 

Driven. Never satisfied with their level of knowledge or skill. Always strives to continue learning and improve weak areas.

[JohnLeePettimore]

I think that guy who was inn the airbus safety video is a shining example of the integrity a pro possesses. He made a bad call, which even pro's are capable of doing andd he used that as a lesson to himself and others. A true pro never stops learning from his mistakes or from the mistakes made by others.

[JCM5]

Flight suit, helmet, chrome aviators.

 

 

...mustache

[nightsta1ker]

Must be a pro:

http://images6.fanpop.com/image/photos/35500000/PORNSTACHE-orange-is-the-new-black-35582186-168-168.jpg

Edited July 29, 2014 by nightsta1ker

[Wally]

adam32, on 30 Jun 2014 - 10:07, said:

Flight suit, helmet, chrome aviators.

 

 

 

...mustache

 

and a big watch.

[Francis Meyrick]

A good original post, thought provoking, and some good answers and input. And also, for some reason I can never fathom, that snipe-snipe-snipe to and fro rancor. Seems a pity. Recurrent theme. Could we "pro's" maybe stop that? Eh?

 

I'd like to recommend to a couple of you angry guys - no names mentioned - my personal therapist and Qualified Psychologist.. She's a real sweetheart, good looking girl as well. Very reasonable charges. She's a real good listener. Conflict resolution, anger management, you name it, she comes highly recommended.

 

Like I said, good looking gal as well. Wait, I actually have a photo of her somewhere...

 

oh, here it is.

 

(ho-hummmm....)

 

 

 

"Just chilling..." (on the sofa, where I'm not allowed...)

Edited August 13, 2014 by Francis Meyrick

[eagle5]

The other night flying around I couldn't help but think, maybe I'd be happier just staying an amateur?