flingwingking Posted August 30, 2015 Posted August 30, 2015 wanted coffee drinking mount for sunday flying.mmm so many opinions.r22.269 or 300 c enstrom 280 .safety and reliability first not fuel burn.oh hate the fact that the r22 is terminaly ill from the day its born.need to decide this soon 1 Quote
Whiteshadow Posted August 31, 2015 Posted August 31, 2015 I have no idea what you are asking. Coffee drinking mount? Quote
Guest pokey Posted August 31, 2015 Posted August 31, 2015 269 series used to be the way to go, even the military chose it for their primary trainer, the times have changed tho---especially since the "sick horsey" syndrome took over. The 22 terminally ill? as much as i would like to agree with that from the 12 year perspective, Mr Robinson is laughing all the way to the bank. Enstrom has & prolly always will be a piston player. If parts ever become available again? 269 is the best choice. Quote
r22butters Posted August 31, 2015 Posted August 31, 2015 R22 all the way! Wouldn't even have to give it a second thought if I had the dough! Quote
lelebebbel Posted September 3, 2015 Posted September 3, 2015 (edited) not enough information.. - How much do you weigh, and will you want to carry a second person?- Do you need any luggage space and carrying capacity?- Where do you fly? Denver or Orlando Beach?- Is endurance important?- What about speed?- How many hours do you intend to fly per year?- Full time ownership or are you planning to rent it out to a flight school or whatever?- What is the budget, initially and annually? Depending on the answers to these (and probably some other) questions, either one of those machines could be best for you. Or none of them. Edited September 3, 2015 by lelebebbel Quote
Anonymous??? Posted September 22, 2015 Posted September 22, 2015 not enough information.. - How much do you weigh, and will you want to carry a second person?- Do you need any luggage space and carrying capacity?- Where do you fly? Denver or Orlando Beach?- Is endurance important?- What about speed?- How many hours do you intend to fly per year?- Full time ownership or are you planning to rent it out to a flight school or whatever?- What is the budget, initially and annually? Depending on the answers to these (and probably some other) questions, either one of those machines could be best for you. Or none of them. You are over thinking it...... He/she just wants to buy a helicopter because it will be cheaper to train him/herself in it than actually paying for rental cost..... plus when they get done training and they are a CFII then they can use the helicopter to make money. That's all there is too it! LOL. Just joking. no one get offended please. Quote
Radam Posted September 23, 2015 Posted September 23, 2015 (edited) For some reason after I read the OP's post, I immediately flash to the guy in Europe somewhere that crashed himself and his wife/girlfriend after getting his pvt. The one in the Robbie safety video where the R-22 looks like a stepped on soda can... I always seem to get that feeling when I see people who seemingly just have so much money that they can just buy a helicopter on a whim... that may not be the case here, but it seems that way to me. I have had a student that was this way and although he was a decent stick out of the gate, I could just sense that he was not in it to actually learn how to be an aviator... anyway good luck on your search and be safe ...also the 22 is a great aircraft and not "ill" at all...Its the pilots that have given it a bad rap, flying helicopters is not a passive activity... Edited September 23, 2015 by Radam Quote
r22butters Posted September 23, 2015 Posted September 23, 2015 ...also the 22 is a great aircraft and not "ill" at all...Its the pilots that have given it a bad rap, .Usually pilots transitioning down from larger helicopters that do all the flying for them! 1 Quote
adam32 Posted September 23, 2015 Posted September 23, 2015 ...also the 22 is a great aircraft and not "ill" at all...Its the pilots that have given it a bad rap, flying helicopters is not a passive activity... It's that why it's one of three aircraft ever produced that require an SFAR and safety awareness training to even fly it? 2 Quote
Radam Posted September 25, 2015 Posted September 25, 2015 good point lol... BUT if you do fly it the way it should be flown, then its a nice little ship. ...don't get me wrong, I will not be bummed if I never sit in one again 1 Quote
r22butters Posted September 25, 2015 Posted September 25, 2015 (edited) ...I will not be bummed if I never sit in one again I would! However that SFAR is outdated, created when all you had were pilots transitioning from larger helicopters, who couldn't handle how sensitive it is. Now Robby pilots are a dime a dozen and those special requirements seem irrelevant and just plane silly,...especially to someone who starts from scratch in a 22 then moves up the aircraft ladder. Some of my first thoughts while flying the 300 were, "...no governor, crappy tail rotor authority, and autos like a rock,...not to mention those flimsly looking belts!, can't believe the 22 has an SFAR and this death trap doesn't!" Edited September 25, 2015 by r22butters Quote
Goldy Posted September 26, 2015 Posted September 26, 2015 wanted coffee drinking mount for sunday flying.mmm so many opinions.r22.269 or 300 c enstrom 280 .safety and reliability first not fuel burn.oh hate the fact that the r22 is terminaly ill from the day its born.need to decide this soon Well that depends. Do you want to fly around at 85 knots with very reliable and predictable maintenance costs with easy part availability and lots of mechanics around? Then get a Robinson. If you want to fly at 65 knots, struggle to find parts, wait months, pay thru the nose for stuff and never can find an A&P within 200 miles that will work on it? Buy a 300 or Enstrom. That does NOT mean I don't love 300's and 280's, and the 480b....I do......but as a Robinson helicopter owner myself, there are struggles when owning other piston airframes that I never encounter. Kinda funny to have this conversation when I'm thinking of buying an older Hughes bird... Goldy Quote
500E Posted October 1, 2015 Posted October 1, 2015 Just buy the thing goldy you know you wanr it 2 Quote
AS350 pilot Posted October 2, 2015 Posted October 2, 2015 Looking for something to "go get coffee" and show off to your buddies with? ….get a porsche, the helicopter industry doesn't need your statistic contributions. 1 Quote
Spike Posted October 2, 2015 Posted October 2, 2015 (edited) Ignorance is bliss……. In the mid-90’s, the R22 had a number of fatal accidents which were blamed on pilot error/inexperience. Additionally, the Fed’s included low RPM and Mast Bumping as what actually occurred later defined as Main Rotor Divergence. To my knowledge, no other certificated helicopter has had this problem including the 300. Plus, this definition was clearly a result of the Fed’s not knowing what really happened but yet, compelled to do something and, thus the SFAR……. People are free to believe what they want to believe but IMO, we will never know the real reasons why these machines broke up in flight. If anything, the SFAR is not only a preventative measure but punishment as well for the loss of lives…. I will never forget when the boss told us CFI’s to get our students back in and start flying again. When we asked what the “f” happened to Mike? They said, they didn’t know. By witness accounts, it just broke up….. Later, as my student ran up the machine I glanced over to another CFI who was doing the same. The first two flights after a fatal….. Our expressions looked like this may be our last flights.........Yeah, ignorance is bliss……… Edited October 2, 2015 by Spike 1 Quote
280fxColorado Posted October 2, 2015 Posted October 2, 2015 If you want to fly at 65 knots, struggle to find parts, wait months, pay thru the nose for stuff and never can find an A&P within 200 miles that will work on it? Buy a 300 or Enstrom. @Goldy. All that may be true for the 300, not so for the Enstrom. Never had an issue with Enstrom parts support (other than the cost) and AOG overnight shipping has always been a breeze. A 280 loves 85mph (best range speed) and VNE of 117. Quote
Guest pokey Posted October 7, 2015 Posted October 7, 2015 Some of my first thoughts while flying the 300 were, "...no governor, crappy tail rotor authority, and autos like a rock,...not to mention those flimsly looking belts!, can't believe the 22 has an SFAR and this death trap doesn't!" amazing you can even think, does a piston helicopter with correlation need a governor?(if you rely on one? you ain't much of a pilot) i never had a problem with 300's tail rotor, nor the way they auto. In case you never seen the coupling between a 22 rotor and the engine? well shazaaaM ! gomer,, they have even flimsier belt system (google 22 belt failures if ya don't believe me) and death trap? as ANY vietnam huey pilot what he learned to fly in. Sheesh ! no wonder no one will hire ya Quote
r22butters Posted October 7, 2015 Posted October 7, 2015 Damn! Its like I insulted your mother? Didn't know you 300 guys were so sensitive! Don't cry dude I take it all back, really,.. Quote
Pilot135PD Posted November 11, 2015 Posted November 11, 2015 Buy the R-22 with more than 1000 hours remaining for around $90k and you'll love it. After you fly it for a long time when it's almost used up sell it for around $35k. Those are numbers I've been seeing online lately. I did it when I was building time and it saved me a ton of money and I enjoyed the Sundays flying in it. Maintenance was great because I was the only one flying and took care of it and flew it as it was intended. Last 3 platforms I've been flying are the Bell 412EP, Bell 407, and lastly the EC-135P2+. I'm looking at retiring very soon and will be buying myself something to fly just like you, Sundays around the area for fun. ps: does this forum not have a spellcheck button to click on? Quote
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