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#1 Shack

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Posted 15 January 2008 - 23:31

Hello everyone; would like some opinons. I'm pvt rated rotocraft in R22 and am going to continue my training towards com/cfi. I have the option of doing the remaining time to get my comercial in a Bell 47 and at the time I get my cfi, have been offered the opportunity to use the 47 from my instructor towards my own students wanting to train.

Should I spend money for the 47 or continue in the R22??? or is a Bell 47 even a good choice?

My plans are to eventually get employment in the utility field and not really do any Robinson training. Yes I know teaching in R22's is the general way to build hours but is it better to have 150 hrs in R22, where you still need 50 more just to teach, or 150 total (117 hrs R22 & 30+hrs in Bell 47) and given the op to push the 47 and build time with it. Are there min. to teach in the 47??

I have been told by numorous operators that expierence in larger helicopters is worth more to them than equal time in the Robinson, unless you want to teach exsclusivly in Robinsons (which is not the direction I want to go). Don't want to start any flames here amoung the Robinson guys, I just don't like the R22 and want to go onto bigger fish.

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Posted 15 January 2008 - 23:55

not a 22 fan so the 47 is the way to go IMO :D
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Posted 16 January 2008 - 00:16

absolutely do the 47!! Great opportunity. No minimum time required (except 5 hrs in type and a cfi to teach).

If you can teach some in it that will save you by not having to buy the 50 hrs R22. If it doesn't work out in the long run you may end up with enough to start teaching in the 22.

Why would you WANT to teach in the r22 when you could teach in ANYTHING else???? Even the robinson guys can't dispute that... the only thing the robinson has going for it when training is alot of schools use it so they have a good oportunity to get a job.

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Posted 16 January 2008 - 01:27

not a 22 fan so the 47 is the way to go IMO :D


I am a 22 fan, and the 47 is the way to go !!

OK, here's why.
!. You can actually USE the 47 in real commercial opportunities
2. The 47 sounds like a real helicopter
3. Its pretty damn fun to fly, if you dont mind being passed by on the freeways (its kinda slow).
4. Many people feel the 47 is a real helicopter, and the 22 is not. These same people may be your boss some day.
5. You already have all the time you need in a 22, get some time in something else.
6. The 47 sounds like a real helicopter.
7. When you get fat, you can still fly the 47.

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Posted 16 January 2008 - 13:47

I am a 22 fan, and the 47 is the way to go !!

OK, here's why.
!. You can actually USE the 47 in real commercial opportunities
2. The 47 sounds like a real helicopter
3. Its pretty damn fun to fly, if you dont mind being passed by on the freeways (its kinda slow).
4. Many people feel the 47 is a real helicopter, and the 22 is not. These same people may be your boss some day.
5. You already have all the time you need in a 22, get some time in something else.
6. The 47 sounds like a real helicopter.
7. When you get fat, you can still fly the 47.

Goldy


Ditto....except I'm not a R22 fan...
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Posted 16 January 2008 - 13:59

Hi

I've flown both types, and believe it or not both are helicopters when it is all said and done!

I believe the overall hourly operational cost on the 47 is better than that of the 22
so for a dollar to cents game I'd use the 47 here, since the bottom line is usually dollars and not just sense!

All the above is IMHO generally true

I really enjoy the overall visual while in the 47 along with the additional shoulder room too

autos in the 47 are more forgiving than a Robi (again my personal opinion here...)

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Posted 16 January 2008 - 20:11

I believe the overall hourly operational cost on the 47 is better than that of the 22

along with the additional shoulder room too

autos in the 47 are more forgiving than a Robi (again my personal opinion here...)

Not sure about costs anymore. Most outfits charge around $50 / hour more for the 47 than the 22.

Tons more room, especially when you hit 250 on the scales.

Way more forgiving, especially as it relates to rotor RPM.

I would add I really like the feel. Its hard wired enough to give you the feel of the aircraft ( like on a 22), but not overboosted and sensitive like the 44..its a good compromise between the two.

Did I mention it sounds pretty cool too ?

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Posted 18 January 2008 - 21:51

Thanks to all that has responded. I appreciate the imput. Yes I like the sound and looks and room of the 47, so that is the way I'll be going. Anymore comments are very welcome, I am located in ICT so anyone close or anywhere feel free to contact me anytime. Again thanks for the imput.

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Posted 19 January 2008 - 14:43

Hi Shack,

I did most of my training in the 47, but also have some time in the R22, H269, and B206. I really enjoyed the 47 for a few reasons. It is great to auto, and we did a few hundred full downs as part of the training which I gather isn't the standard in the R22. It has a great feel, and the transition to the B206 is quite natural, though the B206 doesn't have the stabilizer bar and feels a little funny laterally at first. You get to practise hydraulic failures with the 47 which the R22 doesn't provide. I think the best part of learning on the 47 is it is heavy and not very powerful. This teaches you power management. You load up the disc much sooner and kind of chug it in. It is similar to the feel of flying at max gross in the B206 (except for airspeed). It also has lots of leeway with rotor RPM. Got to practise extending the glide with low RRPM and you feel pretty safe with those big wood blades. Just do a super thurough pre-flight, there's more moving parts in the mast system, but at least you can see everything. And of course the view! Nothing beats it, and you fly slow enough to have lots of time to look around!

I don't agree with people who say the R22 isn't a real helicopter, but given the choice I would train on the 47. It's better to learn throttle managment too. It makes stuck pedal training much easier when you are good with the throttle. Like Goldy said the 47 makes an awsome wop wop sound. Enjoy!

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Posted 19 January 2008 - 16:26

Not sure about costs anymore. Most outfits charge around $50 / hour more for the 47 than the 22.

Tons more room, especially when you hit 250 on the scales.

Way more forgiving, especially as it relates to rotor RPM.

I would add I really like the feel. Its hard wired enough to give you the feel of the aircraft ( like on a 22), but not overboosted and sensitive like the 44..its a good compromise between the two.

Did I mention it sounds pretty cool too ?

Goldy


Yes it does sound very nice too!

I wouldn't doubt that the per hour charges are very close to one another, but I would still believe that the cost per hour operation might have a spread to them...can anyone confirm the actually hourly operational cost of the two?
(Not what the going rates block or hourly are) but the actual operational cost for the owner/operator are!




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