Happy Anniversary!,...To the Longest Job Search Ever!

[palmfish]

Drive safely Lindsey

[aeroscout]

The fun never stops.

[Spike]

For those who fail to understand, the avenue to fly for compensation-or-hire is like a staircase and each step has significance. If anyone attempts to reach the upper floors by skipping a step or two, makes the endeavor more difficult and far more risky. Even so, some folks can skip a step and continue to climb, but these folks have something in them that allows this to happen. Meaning; they weren’t stuck on a step but rather leaped over it and the momentum carried them upward. Conversely, some will find themselves stuck on a single step, unable to leap. While there, they watch others who understand each step, walk on by……..

 

In my experience, employers appreciate those who climb the staircase step-by-step….

[r22butters]

"If you had any experience with confined area, slope landings, hot and heavy, in a 20kt tailwind we'd consider you",...said a Chief Pilot to me recently.

 

I guess its better than "when you get 16 more hours in the r-44, feel free to re-apply with us"

 

Maybe next year?

[rotormandan]

Is there a lot of people with that experience applying for that low time job that I assume you'd be applying for?

[RagMan]

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Edited April 2, 2015 by RagMan

[r22butters]

Well three rejections in three weeks, I don't think I've ever been this busy! Seems like the hiring season (well for at least the jobs I can hope for) is over for this year, so I guess that's it,...again.

 

See ya next year.

- Butters

 

 

By the way, just in case anyone is actually following this, I postponed the trip to Guam due to these sudden interviews / "we'll let you knows". I'm not sure if I'll go now or wait until the beginning of the season next year, like April / May when he said they usually need pilots?,...still thinking about it.

 

,...and yeah, I expanded the topic title for,...relevance, I guess?

Edited June 8, 2015 by r22butters

[Shaun]

God this is a pathetic thread.

 

I've been in 12 years, spent enormous amounts of money that I should be saving for a liver transplant that I will eventually need, and faced death numerous times doing insane jobs.

 

I could not get a helicopter career, but you know what, that's life. If you spend even 30 minutes researching this beforehand you would know the success rate.

 

Wallowing in self pity about how you couldn't get the particular job you want is insane. There are far worse things that can happen to a person. I know because they have happened to me.

 

You should be grateful that you even had a chance to try. 99% of the people in the world could not even attempt to be a pilot.

 

I have a friend with a fused spine from a crash who put more effort into it then you ever will, and he would never make a thread like this.

 

Not trying to be mean here but you are not a unique snowflake who deserves special consideration, and that idea is offensive to those of us who have truly suffered for a dream.

[r22butters]

God this is a pathetic thread.

 

I've been in 12 years, spent enormous amounts of money that I should be saving for a liver transplant that I will eventually need, and faced death numerous times doing insane jobs.

 

I could not get a helicopter career, but you know what, that's life. If you spend even 30 minutes researching this beforehand you would know the success rate.

 

Wallowing in self pity about how you couldn't get the particular job you want is insane. There are far worse things that can happen to a person. I know because they have happened to me.

 

You should be grateful that you even had a chance to try. 99% of the people in the world could not even attempt to be a pilot.

 

I have a friend with a fused spine from a crash who put more effort into it then you ever will, and he would never make a thread like this.

 

Not trying to be mean here but you are not a unique snowflake who deserves special consideration, and that idea is offensive to those of us who have truly suffered for a dream.

 

I offended someone?

 

...awesome!

 

By the way if you want to whine about how much worse off your life is than mine, you may want to start your own thread. No one really comes to mine anymore,...too much whining I guess? Anyway, this is more of a "Dear Diary" thing for me anymore, but I'm glad you enjoyed it.

 

Truth is I never really dreamed of being a career pilot, I just thought flying tourists around Vegas would be a nice way to "run out the clock".,...driving a truck ain't so bad though. The boxes don't smell and they never suddenly puke on you!

 

OK, see you next year starting,...........................................now!

[Shaun]

Who's whining, I'm proud of my achievements, I'm grateful for the time in the sky, and I regret nothing.

[Spike]

I never saw a wild thing

sorry for itself.

A small bird will drop frozen dead from a bough

without ever having felt sorry for itself.

 

D. H. Lawrence

[AS350 pilot]

Sending resume's out like buckshot isn't going to get the job done….or get you a job in this case.

 

Spike is right, employers want to see someone who hasn't skipped a step on the way. I have seen many low time pilots thinking they could "jump into" something they were not ready for.

[r22butters]

View this thread however you want, its simply a summary of the last nine years as experienced by one pilot,...and I like it, so sphewwwwwwwwwwww (that's me blowing a raspberry ).

 

 

Ok starting,.......now!

 

Damn, I need another hobby!

[Won2Be]

View this thread however you want, its simply a summary of the last nine years as experienced by one pilot,...and I like it, so sphewwwwwwwwwwww (that's me blowing a raspberry ).

 

 

Ok starting,.......now!

 

Damn, I need another hobby!

That sucks brother. Well, I hear driving is...kinda like flying...at least you can pay your bills. I'm actually glad to see someone share their experience like this; gotta suck serious monkey nuts. All that money and time gone (not wasted, but gone). Too many threads out there making it sound like flying is inevitable once you start. But, as with all jobs, minimum competitive credentials are everything. Go get that CFI even though your hours are low (I understand you don't want to but, do you want to drive or fly? Its not really about wanting the cfi; its about wanting that first flying job). Good luck and stay safe out there.

[Won2Be]

View this thread however you want, its simply a summary of the last nine years as experienced by one pilot,...and I like it, so sphewwwwwwwwwwww (that's me blowing a raspberry ).

 

And hey butters..."sphewww?" Really? I mean....really. *shakes head.* I just died a little inside...

[r22butters]

That sucks brother. Well, I hear driving is...kinda like flying...at least you can pay your bills. I'm actually glad to see someone share their experience like this; gotta suck serious monkey nuts. All that money and time gone (not wasted, but gone). Too many threads out there making it sound like flying is inevitable once you start. But, as with all jobs, minimum competitive credentials are everything. Go get that CFI even though your hours are low (I understand you don't want to but, do you want to drive or fly? Its not really about wanting the cfi; its about wanting that first flying job). Good luck and stay safe out there.

 

Its not that I don't want to teach, its that I can't. Motion sickness as a passenger,...same reason I can't do the Boatpix route!

 

Sending resume's out like buckshot isn't going to get the job done….or get you a job in this case.

 

Spike is right, employers want to see someone who hasn't skipped a step on the way. I have seen many low time pilots thinking they could "jump into" something they were not ready for.

 

I hate to disappoint you fellas, but I've had too many face-to-face interviews and flight checks to blame my failure on not being a CFI, i.e. they're not going to waste money on me giving me a flight check, if not being a CFI is a deal breaker. In fact on my last two, they didn't even ask me if I was one!

 

Anyway it no longer matters, since I've decided 9 years is long enough.

 

Job search over!

 

Have a nice day!

[RagMan]

So then what has been the reasons for not getting hired after all of those flight checks? Getting to do a flight check is a good step in the right direction, and im guessing its because of the hours you have on your resume that you were even considered (whether you actually have that many or not.)

 

Poor stick skills?

Lack of Experience with confined takeoffs/landings?

Poor judgement and ADM?

 

Care to elaborate? Surely they (the check airmen) would tell you or you could figure out why you never passed those flight checks. Something worth building on for next time?

 

Hard to believe you get motion sickness as a passenger but not as a pilot.... Thats not motion sickness. Thats fear of not being in control.

Edited June 27, 2015 by RagMan

[r22butters]

…im guessing its because of the hours you have on your resume that you were even considered (whether you actually have that many or not.)

 

 

If you're going to accuse me of lying on my resume then why should I bother to say anything more?

[Azhigher]

Hard to believe you get motion sickness as a passenger but not as a pilot.... Thats not motion sickness. Thats fear of not being in control.

 

I don't know, I'm like that too. Give me the controls and I'm fine but if I'm riding shotgun or in the back it creeps up on me if I'm not careful.

 

For what it's worth Butters I'm glad you're still trying, or at least posting. I don't know if I would/could have hung in there for 9 years chasing the dream. Follow your heart, and keep posting to let us know where that heart is taking you. =)

[Spike]

In most cases, motion sickness is a psychological issue, not a physiological issue. If it is a physiological issue, such as an inner ear problem, it would need to be reported during a FAA med exam………

[WolftalonID]

 

We all want to root for the motivated...

[Lgdlman]

While only hoping to achieve my CPL/PPL someday, I'm a sales professional today. Because of the sector that I'm in, we tend to make a lot of money. Its always funny that folks will hear how much and think they too are entitled to simply walk in and begin making that sort of money today.

 

Today? I put in my dues for 20+ years and would never ever think I could walk in anywhere without the appropriate experience. Mots of my jobs the past 10 years have come from networking and engaging other professionals. Can't imagine why anyone would assume being a pilot would be easier?

 

I will never be the guy with 10,000 hrs, but if I can achieve CFII and get to fly, will make my day!!

[r22butters]

While only hoping to achieve my CPL/PPL someday, I'm a sales professional today. Because of the sector that I'm in, we tend to make a lot of money. Its always funny that folks will hear how much and think they too are entitled to simply walk in and begin making that sort of money today.

 

Today? I put in my dues for 20+ years and would never ever think I could walk in anywhere without the appropriate experience. Mots of my jobs the past 10 years have come from networking and engaging other professionals. Can't imagine why anyone would assume being a pilot would be easier?

 

I will never be the guy with 10,000 hrs, but if I can achieve CFII and get to fly, will make my day!!

If all you want to do is fly you don't need to be a cfii, just the ppl will do. And actually becoming a pilot is pretty easy, there's nothing special about it. At my school we had guys getting their ppl in one month, so how hard can it be?,...all you really need is money!

[r22butters]

You know it just occurred to me, with the job search over they'll be no anniversary to celebrate next year. So no reason to keep this thread open.

[r22butters]

Well what do ya know, I finally landed a job,...yeah I know I've given up at least what, twice now?, but hey even when I do lose all hope and say, f*ckit, for some reason I still look at the job boards and send out resumes?!

 

So this time I got a bite, then an interview, and 'cause I guess it was snowing in Hell that day, a job offer!

 

Now lets see, from the day after my Commercial checkride, when I began looking for work with 391hrs to my first day on the job at 756hrs was 10 years and 1 month,...

 

,...f*ckn' aye bubba!

 

 

 

 

This seems like a good place to bury this, where only nameless passerbye's will see;

 

 

The 3 reasons I left the job it took me 10 years to get

 

 

1. We dont take breaks here Freddys response to my request for a half hour lunch break 6 hours into my 12 hour shift.

 

2. Just suck it up and bear through it Freddys response to my concerns over the dangers of flying with passengers while tired (especially in and out of that wire basket he put the operation)!

 

 

3. If you stay any longer youll end up owing me a lot of money Freddys reminder to me of the $25,000 training repayment contract I had to sign if I wanted to work there (a contract I would not have signed if I had known of reasons 1 and 2)!

 

,...I also really didn't want to wear shorts!

 

 

Well Googlebot today marks a new anniversary, the day I liberated myself from that "sorriest excuse of a human being for whom I've ever had the displeasure of working"!,...hmmm how shall we celebrate? I know, grab Bingbot and Yahoobot,...we're going to a strip club!

 

 

 

You know I've been thinking and this wasn't the longest job search ever it was actually getting on with Fedex Express that took the longest,...and their are some nice similarities.

 

Now I worked for Fedex Ground for a year and they were easy to get into as they'll hire anyone, but Express, well they're much pickier! In fact I'd been applying for and interviewing with many Fedex Express' over the years since I was in my 20's. And like with Helislave, I had inerviewed at the particular Express station that hired me (one week after my escape from Helislave) three times before they finally hired me!

 

Here's the best/saddest part. When I quit Fedex Express two months after being hired (for a better job) my boss actally said to me, "Would you like a couple days to think it over first?"

 

,...with Helislave Freddy just said, see ya!

 

Oh' yeah, and Fedex didn't hold the cost of their two weeks training over my head either!

 

 

7000 views, woo hoo!,...way to go googlebot!

Edited June 7, 2017 by r22butters