Special Program

[Rob1237051]

Yeah...at the end of the day I'll be fine and it's not like any of the instructors have been bad. They're all very knowledgeable and good teachers (within their own various styles).

 

I'm likely to put it in a barrel roll next time someone gives me another technique on stick trim that they want to see me try out though.

[movingtarget21]

Rob, now you know how I felt during primary!

[Joe_P148]

I have been flying a Blackhawk for 10 days and I've been subjected to 5 different instructor pilots/techniques.

 

Sure wish they had enough permanent IPs.

Quit your whining WOJG!

[Rob1237051]

Lol. It's griping. There's a difference! Now someone take my Internet away so I can practice prattling on about the stabilator.

[Velocity173]

There shouldn't be too much technique taught at Lowe but it's impossible not to have a little creep in. We used to say "Teach a technique but grade to a standard."

 

The IP should also be making it clear what is a technique and what is in writing. Not necessarly a standard but at least some official reference. As long as their technique doesn't violate that reference, no harm.

 

Edit: when it comes to operating the cyclic trim release, you'll subconsciously adapt your own technique over time. Usually that amounts to pressing and releasing so many times that after a couple years of flying, you'll have a hole worn in your gloves.

Edited June 30, 2014 by Velocity173

[Yamer]

There was a civilian IP who did my 60 full motion sim time and he clicked that thing every time he touched the stick... Is that normal?

[Velocity173]

There was a civilian IP who did my 60 full motion sim time and he clicked that thing every time he touched the stick... Is that normal?

Yep. Probably clicked it several times. In a typical flight I might have pressed trim release a hundred times. There are those that use force against the trim and use the trim adjustment switch on top though. They're the exception.

 

When I was a student I was so frustrated with using the cyclic trim that I had my IP just turn trim off completely. That didn't last long and eventually I grew to love the FPS / trim system. Takes time.

Edited June 30, 2014 by Velocity173

[d10]

All good UH-60 pilots have strong right thumbs.

[apacheguy]

The UH-72 is the same with the trim button, coming from 64s took a few days to get used to.

[brackac]

The UH-72 is the same with the trim button, coming from 64s took a few days to get used to.

Really? I constantly click or just hold the force trim release. Hate fighting against it unless I'm on system and hovering for extended periods.

[urs151]

When I started Primary, my IP made the offer to "see if I could bypass", but I told him I would rather stick it out. I was hoping that URS would offer me a job after graduation.

 

 

 

That's a fair argument, my counter-argument would be that we could go back to our civilian jobs sooner where we are logging 8 hours a day instead of 1.2...but then again...active duty pay is nice. :-)

I'm just curious, where do you work flying 8 hours a day????

[electron_si]

There shouldn't be too much technique taught at Lowe but it's impossible not to have a little creep in. We used to say "Teach a technique but grade to a standard."

 

The IP should also be making it clear what is a technique and what is in writing. Not necessarly a standard but at least some official reference. As long as their technique doesn't violate that reference, no harm.

 

Edit: when it comes to operating the cyclic trim release, you'll subconsciously adapt your own technique over time. Usually that amounts to pressing and releasing so many times that after a couple years of flying, you'll have a hole worn in your gloves.

 

 

I think I'm one of the few that leaves the trim engaged and just pushes against the force. (most of the time)

 

my technique:

I hold the button down as i pick up off the ground but once I get to a stable 10ft hover I release it and just make inputs while trim remains engaged. I do click the sh*t out of it flying instruments making really small corrections in conjuction with the tophat.

[Velocity173]

 

 

I think I'm one of the few that leaves the trim engaged and just pushes against the force. (most of the time)

 

my technique:

I hold the button down as i pick up off the ground but once I get to a stable 10ft hover I release it and just make inputs while trim remains engaged. I do click the sh*t out of it flying instruments making really small corrections in conjuction with the tophat.

Yeah whatever works. I've flown with people who were quite smooth just using force against the trim. To me, I got more of a feel for it by pressing, control input, releasing. Especially during rapid cyclic inputs teaching CMF or doing terrain flight. Just didn't like to have to use a lot of force during those flight regimes. Long cross country and instruments was more of a cyclic trim adjustment (top hat) though.

 

Like D10 said, Black Hawk pilots have strong thumbs. On any given flight I was subconsciously pressing that thing maybe a hundred times or more. It was always funny flying with students who didn't have a feel for it. They'd use force then press trim release and the aircraft rocks. Pedal turns at a hover without pressing the micro switches and the aircraft tries to swing back to the last heading. Good times.

Edited July 10, 2014 by Velocity173