Influke Posted January 5, 2021 Report Share Posted January 5, 2021 With the new 10 year service obligation most prior service guys will be ineligible for this bonus simply from time in serve. Do you guys think they’ll update it? I know that’s hard to answer, but maybe this can get the ball rolling in updating the policy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaurus Posted January 5, 2021 Report Share Posted January 5, 2021 The new aviation 10 year ADSO was passed in the best interest of the Army period. Tremendous cost savings over the years in retainability and cost savings in less bonuses offered. The Army will call this a Win Win proposition. Future Warrant Officer aviators may not see it that way. It will not have an overall affect in volunteers for the WOFT program. There are more than enough qualified career Enlisted soldiers waiting in the wings so to speak in wanting to leave their undesirable MOS career field. Not requiring a 4 year degree is the Army's solution in meeting their numbers. Every MOS is in play as well as every qualified prior enlisted from any military service. The hardest part is being selected for WOFT. The washout rate in flight school hovers around 5% since all graduates are COPILOTS. The gaining organizations will determine if and when the recent graduate will be awarded pilot in command status. The possibility of being a Warrant Officer, an aviator, more money for the family and a LITTLE less Army BS is very alluring to a Career Enlisted Soldier. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if more than a few WO aviators did it for the money and not for the love of flying. The Army has 1 more trick up their sleeve for WO aviators. In the near future, the Army will readjust the date of rank for WO flight graduates to the day they finish flight school. It will take approx 1.5 years longer in making CWO ranks. WO flight students will loose approximately $7k in income while waiting to pin on CW2. Another $3 K-$4K when making CW3 before eligible in separating. More cost savings for the Army. The readjustment of date of rank wasn't suggested for the Commissioned Officer grades or has it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nil5038 Posted January 5, 2021 Report Share Posted January 5, 2021 46 minutes ago, zaurus said: The new 10 year ADSO was passed in the best interest of the Army period. Tremendous cost savings over the years in retainability and cost savings in less bonuses offered. The Army would call that a Win Win proposition. It will not have an overall affect in volunteers for the WOFT program. There are more than enough qualified career soldiers waiting in the wings so to speak in wanting to leave their undesirable MOS career field. Not requiring a 4 year degree is the Army's solution in meeting their numbers. Plus the washout rate in flight school hovers around 5% since they all graduate as COPILOTS. The possibility of being a Warrant Officer, pilot, more money for the family and a little less Army BS is very alluring. The Army has 1 more trick up their sleeve for WO aviators. In the near future, the Army will readjust the date of rank for WO flight graduates to the day they finish flight school. It will take approx 1.5 years longer in making CW2. The WO will loose over 10k in income waiting those 1.5 years. More cost savings for the Army. The readjustment of date of rank wasn't done for the Commissioned Officer grades. I’ve actually heard regular officers will be effected by this too which I thought they wouldn’t be able to do. But yea I’ve heard they’ll be effected as well. Nothing official but that was asked in a q & a. I agree their recruitment numbers won’t change. Every job has a line of people willing to do it for less money. But I think their quality of street to seat candidates will go straight down the shitter. The QOL and pay, in addition to overall costs of putting someone through flight school in the army vs other branches is just ridiculously large now and for the same cost “10 years.” I don’t mean to discourage anybody there are still tons of perks in army aviation no other branch can offer. But in the topic of $ yea it’s pretty rough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedude Posted January 5, 2021 Report Share Posted January 5, 2021 I know a significant number of soldiers who are no longer interested in trying to be a warrant officer as a result of the 12 year commitment right off the bat. This will hurt the whole aviation community by losing a lot of good candidates and potentially relying on a larger percentage of street to seat civilians to fill the ranks which is much less desirable. It's like having a bunch of privates flying helicopters when compared to prior service soldiers who actually know how to be in the military. Bonuses are up in the air, the Army will still need to retain pilots but I think the incentive to do so will be lower and result in lower money offered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nil5038 Posted January 5, 2021 Report Share Posted January 5, 2021 48 minutes ago, Thedude said: I know a significant number of soldiers who are no longer interested in trying to be a warrant officer as a result of the 12 year commitment right off the bat. This will hurt the whole aviation community by losing a lot of good candidates and potentially relying on a larger percentage of street to seat civilians to fill the ranks which is much less desirable. It's like having a bunch of privates flying helicopters when compared to prior service soldiers who actually know how to be in the military. Bonuses are up in the air, the Army will still need to retain pilots but I think the incentive to do so will be lower and result in lower money offered. And even the quality of street to seat guys will probably take a hit. someone with a degree and some flying experience has a good bit less incentive to join the army vs any other branch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GM1 Posted January 5, 2021 Report Share Posted January 5, 2021 4 hours ago, zaurus said: The new 10 year ADSO was passed in the best interest of the Army period. Tremendous cost savings over the years in retainability and cost savings in less bonuses offered. The Army would call that a Win Win proposition. It will not have an overall affect in volunteers for the WOFT program. There are more than enough qualified career soldiers waiting in the wings so to speak in wanting to leave their undesirable MOS career field. Not requiring a 4 year degree is the Army's solution in meeting their numbers. Plus the washout rate in flight school hovers around 5% since they all graduate as COPILOTS. The possibility of being a Warrant Officer, pilot, more money for the family and a little less Army BS is very alluring. The Army has 1 more trick up their sleeve for WO aviators. In the near future, the Army will readjust the date of rank for WO flight graduates to the day they finish flight school. It will take approx 1.5 years longer in making CW2. The WO will loose over 10k in income waiting those 1.5 years. More cost savings for the Army. The readjustment of date of rank wasn't done for the Commissioned Officer grades. Any news on the adjustment? And do you think it will affect current WO1s or only those who haven’t yet graduated WOCS. I graduate WOCS within the next month and hope I don’t get stuck being a WO1 for almost four years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaurus Posted January 5, 2021 Report Share Posted January 5, 2021 7 hours ago, nil5038 said: I’ve actually heard regular officers will be effected by this too which I thought they wouldn’t be able to do. But yea I’ve heard they’ll be effected as well. Nothing official but that was asked in a q & a. I agree their recruitment numbers won’t change. Every job has a line of people willing to do it for less money. But I think their quality of street to seat candidates will go straight down the shitter. The QOL and pay, in addition to overall costs of putting someone through flight school in the army vs other branches is just ridiculously large now and for the same cost “10 years.” I don’t mean to discourage anybody there are still tons of perks in army aviation no other branch can offer. But in the topic of $ yea it’s pretty rough Thanks for the possible update for the Commissioned Officer date of rank adjustment. What's good for the goose, is good for the gander. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaurus Posted January 5, 2021 Report Share Posted January 5, 2021 GM1 No news regarding the adjustment of the date of rank for WOs. The raadjustment of the DOR includes the Tech Warrants as well .All the legal concerns have bern successfully answered by the Army. Up to the Army when to implement. Are you under the new 10 year ADSO? What month were you selected for WOFT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GM1 Posted January 5, 2021 Report Share Posted January 5, 2021 16 minutes ago, zaurus said: GM1 No news regarding the adjustment of the date of rank for WOs. The raadjustment of the DOR includes the Tech Warrants as well .All the legal concerns have bern successfully answered by the Army. Up to the Army when to implement. Are you under the new 10 year ADSO? What month were you selected for WOFT? I was selected in March of 2020. Supposedly I’m not under the 10 year according to B-co staff at rucker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedude Posted January 5, 2021 Report Share Posted January 5, 2021 40 minutes ago, zaurus said: No news regarding the adjustment of the date of rank for WOs. The raadjustment of the DOR includes the Tech Warrants as well .All the legal concerns have bern successfully answered by the Army. Up to the Army when to implement. Have you seen anything about changing time in grade for promotions for aviation warrants or are we all still getting screwed compared to the techs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaurus Posted January 5, 2021 Report Share Posted January 5, 2021 For those who have an interest, view this You Tube video clip, titled Army Talent Management Task Force- Warrant Officer Professional Development Dec 2, 2020. Start at the 11:25 mark for two minutes or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GM1 Posted January 5, 2021 Report Share Posted January 5, 2021 21 minutes ago, zaurus said: For those who have an interest, view this You Tube video clip, titled Army Talent Management Task Force- Warrant Officer Professional Development Dec 2, 2020. Start at the 11:25 mark for two minutes or so. Yeah but he doesn’t mention anything in regards to when it would be implemented or how. I knew it would happen I was more looking to when and how it’s gonna happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaurus Posted January 5, 2021 Report Share Posted January 5, 2021 GM1 Keep your fingers crossed. Can you win twice? You won the 6 year ADSO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GM1 Posted January 5, 2021 Report Share Posted January 5, 2021 8 minutes ago, zaurus said: Keep your fingers crossed. Can you win twice. You won the 6 year ADSO. Pray for me brother... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Influke Posted January 5, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2021 With my WOCS report date in August I’m praying they don’t implement it until FY22 😭 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaurus Posted January 5, 2021 Report Share Posted January 5, 2021 They usually do it at the beginning of the new fiscal year. My prayers go out to all you Warrant Officers aviators. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nil5038 Posted January 5, 2021 Report Share Posted January 5, 2021 42 minutes ago, GM1 said: Pray for me brother... I’ll keep this brief but we got briefed about the DOR reset. You’ll get it soon too. If the reset happens, it will happen semi soon, and when it happens, there’s no grandfathering in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GM1 Posted January 6, 2021 Report Share Posted January 6, 2021 1 hour ago, nil5038 said: I’ll keep this brief but we got briefed about the DOR reset. You’ll get it soon too. If the reset happens, it will happen semi soon, and when it happens, there’s no grandfathering in. Hell yeah brother. How exciting.... skipped E7 in the Navy for this. Was selected before the ADSO adjustment and now this? A double kick in the nuts. This is not what I signed up for at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nil5038 Posted January 6, 2021 Report Share Posted January 6, 2021 Yea man im with you. Nothing official as yet though. it was told to us that theyre doing it for our benefit lolol they dont want us showing up to our unit with a cw2 rank and having people thinking were experienced experts in our field. So for our sake, theyre keeping 10k from enterinG our pockets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GM1 Posted January 6, 2021 Report Share Posted January 6, 2021 13 minutes ago, nil5038 said: Yea man im with you. Nothing official as yet though. it was told to us that theyre doing it for our benefit lolol they dont want us showing up to our unit with a cw2 rank and having people thinking were experienced experts in our field. So for our sake, theyre keeping 10k from enterinG our pockets I won’t show up as a CW2 😂 I’ll still be like 8-10 months out from that when I finish if I stay on the timeline I’m on. But why does that matter? Just ask someone if they’re experienced or not how hard is that? Not only the money aspect but just being stuck as a W1 for 3-4 years... that sucks I have almost 10 years of experience in the Military... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Influke Posted January 6, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2021 3 hours ago, nil5038 said: I’ll keep this brief but we got briefed about the DOR reset. You’ll get it soon too. If the reset happens, it will happen semi soon, and when it happens, there’s no grandfathering in. Wtf man... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyrk Posted January 6, 2021 Report Share Posted January 6, 2021 Hasn't the DOR reset been a thing coming very soon for the past how many years? And now with covid my bubbles have been pretty big between everything. Got here early June and havnt started common core yet. With more time here by the time I get to my first duty station maybe 4 months till I get ready for cw2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nil5038 Posted January 6, 2021 Report Share Posted January 6, 2021 23 minutes ago, Influke said: Wtf man... Yea it sucks man you were able to hear a pin drop in the classroom when we were told this. It isn’t official yet so with luck on our side we may bypass it. Like it was mentioned just now, this fisting project has been in the works for a few years now actually. I’m sure flight school students were scared of it three years ago. It does sound like it’s real and right around the corner but we’ll see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kona4breakfast Posted January 6, 2021 Report Share Posted January 6, 2021 3 hours ago, nil5038 said: it was told to us that theyre doing it for our benefit lolol they dont want us showing up to our unit with a cw2 rank and having people thinking were experienced experts in our field. The manure spreader collapsed under the weight of all that horseshit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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