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Do most Army soldiers want aviation?


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Posted 18 May 2015 - 19:06

 
ok hold up....I didn't mean that to be offensive although i guess it sounds like that. But lets be honest...i can be an Army pilot right now whereas the AF, Navy you need a 4 yr degree....and sometimes the fighter slots get 60 apps for 1 slot.  

Yes you "can" be an army pilot without a degree. The odds of getting it, slim. You need to have some other very strong areas in order to make up for it. To address the almost 90% acceptance. Look back to November 2014, 30%. Its constantly changing.

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Posted 18 May 2015 - 19:07

 
yeah but nobody says ...my dream is to shoot people in the face...but so many say my dream is to fly....so why are so many in the Army like not even aware of the woft program?  I mean don't they see helos flying around everywhere and say to themselves...hmm, wouldn't that be cool?


Actually I joined the infantry to shoot people in the face, then I realized I didn't want to be in the infantry anymore. The Army is not synonymous with aviation it is synonymous with infantry and armor. Most people have no idea the sheer scale of Army Aviation.
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Posted 18 May 2015 - 19:20

Yes you "can" be an army pilot without a degree. The odds of getting it, slim. You need to have some other very strong areas in order to make up for it. To address the almost 90% acceptance. Look back to November 2014, 30%. Its constantly changing.

 

i've been looking at the boards for the last year  and half or so...they hover closer to 90 then they do 30. Probably 60-70% on avg. And you get two shots at it, automatically.


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Posted 18 May 2015 - 19:23

 
i've been looking at the boards for the last year  and half or so...they hover closer to 90 then they do 30. Probably 60-70% on avg. And you get two shots at it, automatically.

I don't believe your math is too good. Probably good thing you're giving up on trying to fly jets. Also you may be forgetting that before a civilian packet gets looked at for official selection it goes through a rigorous screening and Bn board where packets get stopped. So yes street to seat may appear to have a higher acceptance rate, on the surface.
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Posted 18 May 2015 - 19:34

I don't believe your math is too good. Probably good thing you're giving up on trying to fly jets. Also you may be forgetting that before a civilian packet gets looked at for official selection it goes through a rigorous screening and Bn board where packets get stopped. So yes street to seat may appear to have a higher acceptance rate, on the surface.

 

I didn't say it was easy. My point is that its easier than the other services.  I don't think i'm too far off with 60-70% for civ's and very few get stopped at the battalion level from what i've read and from those I've spoken to.  If you're reasonably smart, can articulate yourself and aren't a d-bag, I'm sure you get get 2 of 3 to give you the thumbs up. The usarec board screens a little more, yes, but it's not as cutthroat as some of the other services. No one would disagree with that.  


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Posted 18 May 2015 - 20:09

 

huh? so they'd rather dodge bullets than fly cool aircraft? I don't get it...

I'll probably get a lot of hate for this, but people who have life long dreams of flying join the Air Force. That's what they do.


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Posted 18 May 2015 - 20:42

The Army i heard is a lot easier so I'm aiming for that.

 

Just remember that you should be chasing WOFT because you truly want to be a soldier, WO, and pilot, and all that each of those entail, and really in that order. I can understand what you are saying about it "being easier," in that the Army has a crap ton of helicopters, seemingly high acceptance rates, no degree required, etc. etc. While it may appear to be a more simple way to become a pilot than other service branches, what with the whole "street to seat" reputation, saying that you're pursuing WOFT because its the easiest is the best way to get somebody to show you the door. Or if you somehow still get picked up, its a great way to ensure that nobody else wants to fly with you. Why? Because you're only their to get your butt in the seat of the aircraft. You don't care about the mission of the Army and the purpose of Army Aviation.

 

TL;DR = Pursue WOFT for the right reasons



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Posted 18 May 2015 - 20:42

I'll probably get a lot of hate for this, but people who have life long dreams of flying join the Air Force. That's what they do.

 

AF, Navy and even Marines are top notch for flying for sure...

 

but the Army isn't too shabby....I understand it's about the mission and that's why Army aviation is important.  But i'm sure it's also pretty neat to hover over trees and they do get to wear those cool visors just like the other branches. The apaches helmet gear is pretty awesome with the eyepiece too


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Posted 18 May 2015 - 20:48

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Posted 18 May 2015 - 21:01

Oh i get it now.

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Posted 18 May 2015 - 21:08

Not everyone wants to fly in the military.
Not everyone wants to go to college IOT fly.
Not everyone wants to fly fighters.
Some want to fly fighters but end up with helos.

Nothing wrong with any of the above. Choose the path that most clearly matches your goals...just don't underestimate the challenges with that path.

Edited by Velocity173, 18 May 2015 - 22:27.


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Posted 18 May 2015 - 21:13

I think the OP is actually Hot Dogs trolling. 😉
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Posted 18 May 2015 - 21:13

We've got a troll gents!

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Posted 18 May 2015 - 21:55

i'm not sure i understand the troll part...I guess I turned some people off with my talk of the helmets and visors??  It was just an observation, and yeah I think they're pretty cool.  Is that bad?  


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Posted 18 May 2015 - 22:07

 

I'm not saying its easy. I'm saying its easier. It's the reality. I went through the last board forum on this site, May I think....it was a almost 90% selection.  A guy i know in the reserves got in meeting the minimums and he had no degree at all. Just because you don't like hearing it doesnt mean its not true. I have no disrespect toward the Army ...my dad served in vietnam...for only 1 yr in 'nam thank god.  And yes I would love to be a fighter pilot but I admit I'm not going to spend my whole life trying to get in either. I would still love to still fly helos especially it if means flying in the near future.

How about you just GTFO and never join the Army. For your sake and ours.


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Posted 18 May 2015 - 22:30

I think the OP is actually Hot Dogs trolling. 😉


Bro I'm not even sure I could pull this off.

This Shindig guy's comments are pretty rich.
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Posted 18 May 2015 - 22:37

You know what OP, you are right. It is statically easier to get a pilot job in the Army, and the requirements, at least on paper, are easier. You know a big reason why? We have a sh*t LOAD of helicopters. Like 5000 if you include Reserves and NG.

 

That means little to nothing if you have a condescending attitude, or have done little to join.

 

I joined the Army because I wanted to, and yes, I took advantage of the fact that I could join at 30. I needed PRK, and when I was 19 all the doors were closed to me.


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Posted 18 May 2015 - 23:05

I joined to fly the Comanche...those bastards.

Seriously though, no need to beat up on the guy too much. At 19 I was sitting in a movie theater watching Firebirds. While I knew it was unrealistic of Army Aviation, I think a lot of us had a bit of a whimsical outlook on military aviation at that age.

Having said that, OP I think you need a little enlisted time to mature and get a background at least in the aviation side. USMC will do the trick but any branch will be fine.
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Posted 18 May 2015 - 23:13

All these folks getting spooled up over a high schooler interested in woft.

Shindig. If your truly interested in joining the Army, do some research before you jump on the forums and ask questions like "what do most people join the Army for?" or make statements about "how cool our visors are". I can't really take you seriously when you aren't taking the program or our community seriously.
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Posted 18 May 2015 - 23:54

i don't really consider myself to be immature...I even got a job as a mailman last summer when I was 18 because the postmaster said I was wise beyond my years....and being only 5'8, 140 lbs, it wasn't easy carrying a huge sack of letters and boxes from house to house.  Not easy drivin that truck either.

 

I guess I just tend to comment on some things that catch my attention off the bat...  I mean the visors are pretty cool ...and yeah i think flying is awesome but it doesn't mean that i'm losing sight of the army's mission. I'm thinking you guys aren't much older than me...like early 20s?


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